No. 4 Rifle Drawings

There was a guy I knew in BC that had some original drawings (They were not on the old blue paper that the term blueprints comes from) that he photocopied.
They are quite big prints, and he was selling the copies for $10 each, about 10 or 15 years ago. I bought 1 from him then.
No idea how much it would cost to photocopy, but it would have to be done at a drafting firm, I suppose.
 
Check with Steve on the .303 website. His Maintenance
& Repair Guide for the #4 Lee Enfield is a very useful book, with sketches of special tools and different parts of the rifle.
Bill
 
snowhunter said:
"Bolt Action Rifles" by Frank de Haas, has on page 426, a barrel shank drawings for the Lee-Enfield rifle.
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I have that book, and there is no such page number, the book only goes to 320 pages. What page is this on? :confused:

I also might know where I can get another copy of this book.
 
Got this for the SMLE
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"...extract the dimensions from them..." What are you planning on doing? Just curious. Enfield parts aren't that hard to come by.
 
sunray said:
"...extract the dimensions from them..." What are you planning on doing? Just curious. Enfield parts aren't that hard to come by.
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Well if I can in the future I want get a license and shop to make both "reproduction" Lee-Enfield rifles that are to military spec (well almost, will probably use stronger steels to make the bolts and actions since meteorology has advanced since they were first designed). And Sporter versions with sporter stocks, a new bolt face and magazine, in 3 different sizes, one "Standard" for up to 303British length, one "Long" for rounds up to 3.5" long (for like the 30-06Spring, 8mm Mauser, 300Win Mag etc) and one "Magnum" for rounds up to 4" (300 RUM, 338-378 Weatherby, 338 Lapua Mag etc). :p

By the way, the larger "Mag" actions will be built beefier, to withstand the punishment of the stronger rounds, and I'd probably proof test the design with rounds 15,000PSI higher if I can (meaning if I can find a ammunition supplier willing to supply me with rounds reaching almost 80,000PSI considering the 300RUM hits pressures of 63,000PSI) first, till the rifle fails, and judge how strong it is by how long it took for it to fail. :eek: Garand had the right idea when it comes to testing firearms! :D

Dimitri
 
sunray said:
The blue prints/manufacturing drawings are long gone. Possibly in the Archives in Ottawa, but you won't find blue prints on the net or in somebody's collection of stuff.
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The drawings are certainly not gone, the MOD Pattern Room in England has them on file along with the drawings for many other interesting firearms . They also exist in the collections of some people.

tootall said:
They are quite big prints, and he was selling the copies for $10 each, about 10 or 15 years ago. I bought 1 from him then.
No idea how much it would cost to photocopy, but it would have to be done at a drafting firm, I suppose.
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Most large print chains like Kinkos can do copies of them at a very reasonable price, they will do them while you wait.
 
Mudpuppy said:
The drawings are certainly not gone, the MOD Pattern Room in England has them on file along with the drawings for many other interesting firearms.
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Do the British allow tours of the pattern room with cameras to take pictures of the drawings ?? :D

Dimitri
 
Mudpuppy said:
The drawings are certainly not gone, the MOD Pattern Room in England has them on file along with the drawings for many other interesting firearms . They also exist in the collections of some people.


Most large print chains like Kinkos can do copies of them at a very reasonable price, they will do them while you wait.
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I had the rear sight set for the No1 MkV sent to me a few years back when I needed a part making. EFD has some but mine came from the late Herb Woodend who was also in the same club as I am. The Pattern room move to Leeds may have stopped this but they were very helpful when based at Nottingham.
EFD are pretty good but pricey, firm consists of a couple of ex Enfield factory retired lads working pretty much from home!
 
Mudpuppy said:
No, access to all the good stuff is by invitation only and to get an invitation you will need references.
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Since the collection has been reorganised (some going to fort nelson and some to the Royal Armouries) there is now a public viewing by arrangement of the Herb Woodend collection as I believe it is to be called. If you want particular documents then you need to get in touch with the trustees of the Roayal Armouries at Leeds as I suspect they manage it themselves rather than before when Herb and his assistants ran the building.
A serious interest in anything in the collection should let you see the paper archives but I suspect the weapons are now behind glass.
 
Mudpuppy said:
No, access to all the good stuff is by invitation only and to get an invitation you will need references.
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Well, that puts a damper in my idea. :(

TimC,

Oh thats neat. :) Perhaps a trip to England is inorder. :D

RobSmith,

You can find some drawings of WW2 time period weaponry online if you look, not complete drawings though, only complete drawing set I ever found was drawings for the Liberator Pistol which was from that time period.

Dimitri
 
I'll try and find out where the drawings are kept and if they are available to view/copy etc. They sent me a set for free when I asked!
 
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