No.4 T Glut

maple_leaf_eh said:
I shot two different No.32s this past year. One had a spiky point on the post; the other's post was squared off ever so little. The point makes a difference! BTW, wear your short range computer glasses not progressives.
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The focus on those scopes is adjustable:

Graticule Focus Repair

One of the Mk3s that came to me had a drop at sometime in its history and this may have taken the image and graticule out of focus (a significant dent is evident at the objective lens housing). This can all be remedied with a thorough overhaul, however this is not planned or possible for a little while. The No32 design did provide a method of re-focusing that was leveraged by workshop armorers if all else was well (as in this case). Under the characteristic square plate in the mid body (held with 4 x BA cheese head screws), is a erector locking segment, when accessed and removed this allows the erector cell to be gently eased forwards and backwards in its travel - if doing so while glancing through the scope the image and graticule can be focused to suit the observer. The segment is half a thread pitch assymetric so can be replaced in either direction to re-lock the erector set closest to your perfect focal position.

Sorry, the pics wouldn't come through.

I don't know who they get to adjust the focus on those scopes in the factory, but I'm near sighted and when I take my glasses off, they focus perfectly, or as close as the scope is capable of.

I followed the above instructions and got the focus set for the normal sight point of my glasses. Most folks with glasses or good vision can use it at this setting. Lots of fiddling and those darn small retaining screws are a pain.

Google it, Utube has the video.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I shot two different No.32s this past year. One had a spiky point on the post; the other's post was squared off ever so little. The point makes a difference! BTW, wear your short range computer glasses not progressives.
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I would say my post is slightly rounded at the tip. It's certainly not a needle point but it's not squared off either.

I'm not having trouble focussing on the reticle with my progressives.
 
I searched for a video showing how to adjust the focus on the No32 scope and came up with nothing. However I did stumble across this thread, which in post #2, Peter Laidler himself describes how to adjust the reticle focus.

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29604

Mount the rifle securely so that you can see a distant aiming point (a DAP) at infinity
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Just behind the range turret you'll find a collar and set into this collar you'll find a cover plate held down with four (or two on the later ones) round head screws. Unscrew these screws and lift off the cover. Underneath that, you'll find a brass or sintered alloy locking segment with a little hole in the middle. I want you to lift this locking segment out. Underneath this......, phew......, you'll see the outer sleeve of the erector cell

You'll see that underneath the locking segment is 'threaded' or saw-toothed. And if you look even more carefully, you'll soon realise that it can be put back front to back or back to front. In other words, it's symmetrical........... but it's symmetrical in that by putting it in front to back or back to front, it will give a half pitch of adjustment. Clever isn't it.......... and not a lot of people know about this.

Looking through the CENTRE LINE of the telescope at the DAP, gently move the erector cell forwards or backwards..... a smidgin at a time. Now DO NOT stare through the telescope as you're doing this. but just glance as you're doing it. When the graticle and the image (or DAP or target, because don't forget that you are actually looking at an image now.....). When the grat is focussed exactly for you, you can lock it up.

Look carefully at the splines of the erector cell and the locking segment and judge the best position that the splines of the locking segment will hold the erector cell in that exact position. Put a blob of grease onto the segment and place it into the hole. Replace the cover and that's it.

NOW move your eye slightly to the left and right. The point of the grat should remain fixed onto the same point which indicates that the graticle is falling on the same focal plane of the image and there is no parallax. That is the simple answer................
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So I ended up winning that Switzer's Live Auction this afternoon for the Excellent condition British Holland & Holland No 4 Mk 1(T) with Transit Chest and matching Scope Case. The rifle is all matching and the Rifle, No 32 Mk3 Scope and Mounting Bracket bear matched numbers as well, so the entire set is complete and correct. I didn't really plan on winning the rifle, but couldn't resist throwing down a modest "Hail Mary" low-ball bid because, well, you just never know. Today was one of those days, with the competing bids topping out at $6600, below my automated $7100 bid. Add on the 15% Buyers Premium for $990, and shipping from ON to AB for approximately $250, and the total bill comes to approximately $7850, so well below my estimated value of $10K for the package. Once I've enjoyed an opportunity (or two) to inspect and fire the rifle, I may place it on the EE/####### at $11K just to see if there are any serious offers out there. I won't accept a penny below $10K for the package however, as it is easily worth that amount in such immaculate condition with all of the correct stamps and cartouches.

Here are a few of the auction photos to give you an idea of what I bid on and won today:

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^a nice gun worth the price. Some of the stuff here on the EE and on gp are insane for mismatched “junk”
 
I Dont Care About You said:
The real ones are super nice but for 1/3 the cost I'll stick with my replica. Don't have to worry about banging it around out in the field.
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Everything's relative. The $8K Brit No 4(T) just became my range "beater" in order to preserve my near-perfect, $15K Long Branch No 4(T). I just have a bit more skin in the game is all....
 
Well just wait for all the interest only variable rate mortgages to come due over the next 24 months and there may well be a fire sale of expensive milsurps. All the banks are setting aside billions right now for a wave of anticipated middle class defaults.

Money is expensive to borrow right now, contributing to slow sales of expensive luxury items, like 4T snipers.
 
Please post an accuracy comparison between your beater sniper and your LB sniper when you get the chance. Thanks!
 
Claven2 said:
Well just wait for all the interest only variable rate mortgages to come due over the next 24 months and there may well be a fire sale of expensive milsurps. All the banks are setting aside billions right now for a wave of anticipated middle class defaults.

Money is expensive to borrow right now, contributing to slow sales of expensive luxury items, like 4T snipers.
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That's only true for people who got used to the interest rates offered over the past decade.

Many here can remember 15-18% mortgage rates. If you want to talk about a fire sale on houses. People just packed up, moved out and maybe phoned the Mortgage holders, that the house was now their concern.

It became so bad that bankruptcy laws were changed, and after the properties were sold, usually at a loss, the original mortgagee was still on the hook for a percentage of the balance.

Nasty times.

This time around, with a purposely inflated economy, they were very careful not to let mortgage and loan rates get unrealistic.

3-5% mortgage and loan rates are the traditional norm for most Western Nations.
 
Bartok5 said:
So I ended up winning that Switzer's Live Auction this afternoon for the Excellent condition British Holland & Holland No 4 Mk 1(T) with Transit Chest and matching Scope Case. The rifle is all matching and the Rifle, No 32 Mk3 Scope and Mounting Bracket bear matched numbers as well, so the entire set is complete and correct. I didn't really plan on winning the rifle, but couldn't resist throwing down a modest "Hail Mary" low-ball bid because, well, you just never know. Today was one of those days, with the competing bids topping out at $6600, below my automated $7100 bid. Add on the 15% Buyers Premium for $990, and shipping from ON to AB for approximately $250, and the total bill comes to approximately $7850, so well below my estimated value of $10K for the package. Once I've enjoyed an opportunity (or two) to inspect and fire the rifle, I may place it on the EE/####### at $11K just to see if there are any serious offers out there. I won't accept a penny below $10K for the package however, as it is easily worth that amount in such immaculate condition with all of the correct stamps and cartouches.

Here are a few of the auction photos to give you an idea of what I bid on and won today:

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Congrats on the win and beautiful rifle. All I won is a boat load of books :d
 
bearhunter said:
That's only true for people who got used to the interest rates offered over the past decade.

Many here can remember 15-18% mortgage rates. If you want to talk about a fire sale on houses. People just packed up, moved out and maybe phoned the Mortgage holders, that the house was now their concern.

It became so bad that bankruptcy laws were changed, and after the properties were sold, usually at a loss, the original mortgagee was still on the hook for a percentage of the balance.

Nasty times.

This time around, with a purposely inflated economy, they were very careful not to let mortgage and loan rates get unrealistic.

3-5% mortgage and loan rates are the traditional norm for most Western Nations.
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Sure but $1m plus house prices are not the norm for most Western Nations. Have look around Germany and The Netherlands and see what 500 000 Euros will get you.
 
I showed a beautiful #4T here a few years ago that was owned by a neighbor.

His rifle was all matching, all correct, but his father had engraved his social insurance number all over the damn thing so it's collector value would be seriously diminished.

He was a wierd and untrustworthy fellow and he had no idea of a 4T's value until I told him. Then he got even wierder ..... he even created an account here, messaging me to enquire about the rifle and if it was for sale..... he made the mistake of using his real name and I called him on it....... he got even wierder...so our paths parted ways soon after LOL

Shame though, I was prepared to make an honest offer but he was seeing big imaginary dollar signs I'm sure
 
R005t3r said:
Sure but $1m plus house prices are not the norm for most Western Nations. Have look around Germany and The Netherlands and see what 500 000 Euros will get you.
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You aren't doing any due diligence on your information, when making that statement.

You don't really believe this is the first time this situation has arisen.

It was because of the SOCIALIST ANTICS OF PIERRE ELLIOT TRUDEAU and his evil minions in the seventies that brought about this very similar scenario.

Everyone with a couple of dollars and a job of any sort, could get a mortgage at dirt cheap prices 2% before things started going sideways. The Socialists tanked the economy, and suddenly residential and commercial real estate went from being collateral to losing propositions.

Homes that sold for $30K in the early to mid seventies skyrocketed to $100k - $300K. Then the bubble burst.

The only difference this time is the movers and shakers in the markets saw this scenario playing out again and tried to head it off with poorly planned and motivated immigration policies.

They created a very nasty but false scenario, which turned into a nightmare very quickly.

The Liberals could care less about people in general. The party is loaded with mostly do noting but sit back and watch MPs and run by nut bars, guided by miscreant BUREAUCRATS.

This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last.

Just look back in history to the so-called "Great Depression"

World populations started growing and manufacturing started growing faster. The combination overcame the realities of the economies and mind sets.

It was a "Great transition of ideologies and wealth"

Monarchies and governments failed all over the world, leading up to the great destruction and redistributions of power we call WWII.

It goes on from there and the warning signs we see now are similar.

The people running this scenario don't live and socialize on the same levels you and I do. They frown down on us instead, fully believing they have the god given right to "guide the plebes for their own good"
 
JasonGTA said:
Congrats on the win and beautiful rifle. All I won is a boat load of books :d
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Thanks! No books for me this time, although there was one "Collector Grade Publication" on the FN FAL that interested me. Alas, the bidding went far higher than my interest could sustain or justify!
 
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