NO.5 "Jungle Carbine vs USSR Mosin m44 carbine

As a hunting rifle or as a battle rifle I'd say the No.5mk1 is much better.

The No. 5 is lighter - the m44 is quite heavy for a carbine.

Lee Enfields have a better trigger - some people get lucky with a mosin trigger but the majority of mosin's suck.

The Lee Enfield has better sights - I think the enfield has more precise sights that allow you to shoot more accurately at longer ranges...that being said at close range both are good enough.

The Lee Enfield a removable magazine - a detachable magazine makes life so much easier when you're getting in an out of a truck.

The Lee Enfield has an easy to use safety, the mosin safety sucks and can actually damage the nerves in your fingers if you grip it wrong.

Magazine capacity is huge on a Lee Enfield compared to a Mosin - You can close your bolt over 10 rounds on a Lee Enfield, a mosin can only hold 4 rounds if the action is closed on an empty chamber.

The rate of fire of a Lee Enfield far surpases that of a mosin Nagant. Anyone who has seen a Lee Enfield fired properly (keeping it on the shoulder while cycling the action) will know what I'm talking about. I've gone up against Lee Enfields in competition with a M39 Mosin Nagant, and I can tell you from experience they have a very very large "getting lead down range" advantage over the Mosin nagant.

Accuracy....I'm not sure if the M44 is that much more accurate than a No 5, I guess that will change depending on the rifle. I'm pretty sure the No. 5wandering zero issue is a myth however, there have been several posts about this on gunnutz and no-one here has experienced a wandering zero.

Cartridge Performance and Action Strength.....it's true that you can pump a mosin up because it's a pretty decent action, but a Lee Enfield isn't a slouch either. The 303 Brit at one time was considered to be a very capable cartridge and was used to hunt African dangerous game. Remember most reloading manuals are witten by Americans who have blinders on when dealing with non american made firearms, plus they allmost always load for a No.1 mk 3 which is a weaker action. I'm not sure how much extra velocity you could squeeze out of a carbine length mosin over a carbine length Lee Enfield anyways with such short barrels (I'd love to see a proper side by side shootout).

A mosin does have a method to hold back the rest of the rounds in the magazine which stops the cartridge rims from jamming, which is a nice feature but this can be remedied by loading your magazine or stripper clips properly.

The M44 does have an attached bayonette, which does have its advantages.
 
recoil is a relative thing. Either of these guns are pussycats when compared to your average lightweight sporter with a hard pad. Of the two, the m44 does recoil harder, but if it bothers you I'd highly recommend growing a pair :p

I really love the m44. Most are post-war, and the build quality and finish are much better. They handle great, and the action is extremely slick though it takes a while to get used to the odd bolt turn angle. The bolt itself is very convoluted, but it IS an extremely strong design and should be capable of very good accuracy even given loose tolerances owing to its floating head (a feature shared by the enfield). Though complex, the m44 is over-built in typical russian style - like a tractor. It can be operated by the untrained, and revels abuse. In an age where rifles are designed for simplicity and some can be built almost entirely using nothing other than a lathe, one marvels at the complex designs fielded by the major powers in the last century.
 
All Nagants are garbage compared to any enfield from any generation. SORRY but battle rifle to battle rifle you know its true.
 
My M44 kicks like a mule(for the inevitable commentator, felt recoil is proportionate to how fat you are, or aren't; a "pair" is irrelevant) It shoots 1.5ft groups at 100(not counting the wingers) cycling requires slamming bolt handle on table after 30 or so rnds. Guns have one job, in this case I think the enfield does it much better.
 
I found the Nagant really hard to open the bolt sometimes & that's with all of them. I too used my foot to kick it open.
Lee-Enfield!
 
I've had them both but no longer have the jungle Carbine. I prefer my No4 Mk1 as a shooter. As for M44's, if you have a postwar Polish built(Factory#11) you have a FINE rifle that is FAR better than wartime average M44's. I have fired many hundreds of rounds through my one Polish M44 at the range and hunting and have bagged more big game with that gun than any other Military rifle in my collection. I have NEVER had a sticking bolt or any other quirk of any kind with these postwar polish guns and the fit and finish as well as the accuracy is SUPERB. As for the hard to operate safety, there is a SIMPLE solution. That rifle was designed to operate in subarctic temperatures and VERY dirty conditions. You dismantle the bolt and cut off 3 coils of the spring and your problems are over and you will NEVER Have an ignition problem either. That spring was far more powerful than required for normal temperatures and clean conditions.
As for accuracy, I definitely preferred my M44's over the Jungle carbine out to 150 yards and they grouped better too BUT farther out the Jungle Carbine's sights make for better shooting. Guess that's all I can think of to say about either gun. I still prefer my M44's although I am definitely a fan of Lee Enfields as well. I guess it just comes down to personal preference. they are both good guns.
 
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