No bolt and bolt carrier included?

Savage said:
:rolleyes: really how many here are going to pay for a over $300.00 or more on top of the price for a incomplete upper so it can come with a bolt and a charging handle. Hands up any one
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Funny as it sounds there have been an number of uppers that I've thought about buying and then seen that there is no bolt, carrier or charging handle and I go OK what else might be missing.. Screw it...

If you want to sell an upper sell it complete... Piecemeal only hurts in the end.. And to the gent who found a bolt for $100 in the EE good hunting cause their aint't nothing anywhere near that cheap in there now...
 
ar15 bolt carriers are cheap.... $200 for bolt and carrier, say another $20 for charging handle

it is when you get into the m16 carriers that people charge a premium.

Enhanced Bolt Carrier Assembly: Top quality Stag Arms CMT bolt carrier assembly. Shot peened and magnetic particle inspected bolt. Gas key double staked (top and sides) right here at AEI. Enhanced with shrouded firing pin. Full circle carrier as pictured. The choice bolt of many top rifle builders.

Right Hand Assy Complete: SALE $159.50!
Bolt Assembly Only - No Carrier. RH:$69 SALE $62.50
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Wes:
Bud you show me where to get CH for $20 and I will buy 5 of them.

Bear.23
I will have to respectfully disagree with you about the "Piecemeal". I watch the EE very carefully, and is has been some time since I have seen an upper sell with bolt/carrier group, and find the contrary to be the hard rule of thumb hear.

As a matter of fact, I just recently built an M4 style upper for a buddy but he had to bail. Thats ok life happens.

This upper was built with all brand parts, with new bolt and carrier available, but not included. I listed it on the EE, and instead of wanting to buy the entire new upper I so carefully built, and I actually had people asking for the parts instead.

So that is some what contrary to your above statment.

Generally, I list uppers that are available with chargehandel, but with out bolt/carrier groups, but available for purchase.

So sir what exactly would you suggest.

regards

AbH
 
Armseast sells charging handles for $24.95 last time I bought one.... have the bill right here......

so better call him up and get 5 of them :)

so basically for $200 you get the bolt, carrier and charging handle from armseast
 
AbHobbyist said:
Bear.23
I will have to respectfully disagree with you about the "Piecemeal". I watch the EE very carefully, and is has been some time since I have seen an upper sell with bolt/carrier group, and find the contrary to be the hard rule of thumb hear.

As a matter of fact, I just recently built an M4 style upper for a buddy but he had to bail. Thats ok life happens.

This upper was built with all brand parts, with new bolt and carrier available, but not included. I listed it on the EE, and instead of wanting to buy the entire new upper I so carefully built, and I actually had people asking for the parts instead.

AbH
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Hence it's been a long time since I've bought an upper in the EE... Maybe it's the principal of the thing... I just want a price and a complete thing... if there were a whack of choices in bolts fine.. I understand when people have full auto bolts or something special but really a bolt is a bolt.. we have about 3 real choices...

If what you say is true about people not wanting bolt and carriers.. why not list a with/without price.... Expecting a reasonable price on the bolt... I buy parts, lots of parts... but if I'm looking for an upper I really don't want to have to but the upper, then the bolt/carrier, then the optics... hell I'm buying an upper... Getting the optics somewhere else is ok since it's basically user choice anyways... But if it's not a complete upper it's just a pile of parts...
 
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I just sold an upper COMPLETE with B/BCG/CH. Sorry but I have two standing rules for EE purchases. I buy complete receivers/firearms and there had better be pics. I hate to re hash this but without pics, you'll be hard pressed to sell anything. If I wanted to read a text add, I would have picked up the bargain finder. This is the internet, post some pics if you're serious about selling sh*t.

TDC
 
kako911 said:
Sorry, but for forensics, maintenance and other reasons, C7 bolts are marked with a number that matches a specific gun... at least until last year...
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Sorry, but this is BS. I've been in the reg force for over ten years in the infantry. When I first showed up some bolts did have serial no's electro penciled in them, but they normally didn't match the gun. I believe that this was probably due to confusion when the rifle was first issued, afterall, FN's and all the MG's have bolts matched to the weapon for headspace, which isn't a factor with AR's. The unit may try to keep the same bolt with your rifle (mine does) but this has more do with the fact that people will ##### non stop when they get someone else's filthy bolt. The fact is they get messed up all the time, if it mattered they'd be serialized to the weapon at the factory, which they aren't. Since the A2's are now in service they seem to have replaced all the uppers with new ones, with new bolts.

ETA: Now that I think about it, it was the carrier that had the electro pencilled serial number, not the bolt itself, which is especially useless.

As for the EE, well, just as many guys probably like uppers to be sold with bolts as without. Why pay $200 or more extra for an upper? If you really have BRD than you probably have an extra bolt kicking around anyway and if not? Like Westicle pointed out, you can get a new one for under $200.
 
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Wes:

LOL!! If I check carefully cheif, $20 is not $25 :D!! Over $100 that is an extra handel!!

Bear.23:
Fair enough, I agree, with out a bolt/carrier group and a charging handel is it just a bunch of assemebled parts. I'm going to try a little exepriment and see how it goes.

TDC:
Congratulations on seeling your upper, must have been a good one!!:)
I agree with you on the picture thing. I usualy post a single pic or two in the add and have more for those who require them in reserve.

To all:
This has been quite a good discussion, and its intersting to hear opposing view points.

Thx all for your time

regards and all the best

AbH
 
Scarecrow said:
Why sell no bolt? Because most gun owners are so cheap they want to save a dollar for every component.
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How do you save buying a bolt seprately ? If you buy a LMT MRP upper ( approx $1500 upper ) it does not come with a carrier or bolt. I doubt that LMT packages one of the most expensive DI uppers on the market without a bolt to save the purchaser money.

Lots of purchasers are picky regarding the bolt / carrier they are running. Lots of carriers ( staking of carrier key ) and bolts ( MP inspected ) on the market do not meet the criteria of some people. Some guys want a M16 carrier some don't.

It has already been mentioned numerous times but the AR barrel is not headspaced to the bolt ( done with barrel extention ) . If you have a barrel that headspace with one bolt but not another, then you have a out of spec bolt

I was bord one day and checked headspace with a go , no go , and field gauge with 4 bolts and 8 different barrels "( mixed and matched ). Guess what...they all headspaced properly

I always check since I have the headspace gauges, but having said that, I wouldn't hesitate to take a quality barrel and a quality bolt and toss them together
 
by adding another 2-300 dollars (time, taxes, shipping)on top of a used upper, most of them won't be a good deal to me any more...did they actually asked for less cause the bolt and bolt carry are not included?

Last time I was in market for a used car, the previous owner didn't come up with an idea to remove the momo steering wheel with rosewood that 200% fit his hands!:D
 
TRG-42 said:
How do you save buying a bolt seprately ?
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You shop around, you save money. Its reality that not everyone sells everything at the same price. Wolverine might have the cheapest upper and expensive bolts, and then dangertree has cheap bolts but you want a full-auto carrier and so on and so forth.

This stupidity of bolts being matched to receivers isn't the case until the upper has been intensely used and now the bolt has formed to the upper. Some people seem to thing AR15 = Lee Enfield or something.
 
Scarecrow said:
You shop around, you save money. Its reality that not everyone sells everything at the same price. Wolverine might have the cheapest upper and expensive bolts, and then dangertree has cheap bolts but you want a full-auto carrier and so on and so forth.

This stupidity of bolts being matched to receivers isn't the case until the upper has been intensely used and now the bolt has formed to the upper. Some people seem to thing AR15 = Lee Enfield or something.
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But by the time you add the hassle and extra shipping costs might as well buy it all from the same source.
 
bear.23 said:
But by the time you add the hassle and extra shipping costs might as well buy it all from the same source.
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What hassle? Is picking up the phone a hassle nowadays?

Have you seen the prices on the EE recently? A lot of people are fishing for lazy bastards who can't be bothered to pick up a phone and check out prices, 'cause if you did you'd see that a lot of people are asking more than what it would cost new.

You don't like it, fine you don't have to deal with that person. Tell you what though, if you ever see an upper for sale from me and I haven't listed a bolt, I'll throw in a "slightly used" bolt for $300.;)
 
most ar15 build as so slopy and out of spec, headspace is not an issue, but i have had a bolt blow out before.
It was a colt Hbar bone stock factory gun.
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