No camo for israeli soldiers ?
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Not that I disagree with you, but what makes you think this organization is reputable and unbiased?
It seems to me that their name alone, betrays their bias. "...human rights in the occupied territories..."
Automatically, it suggests that they're pro-palestinian, in calling the contested area "occupied territory" and therefore it is doubtful that their statistics would ever pass the blame onto palestinian militants.
Personally, I'd lean in favour of the palestinian side, and don't doubt that the casualty numbers are disproportionatly in favour of the Israeli's, I just like to warn against accepting statistics as gospel, especially if it's just because they seem anti-mainstream.
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TheCoachZed
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I went to school for four years, and now work in the media biz. Nobody says anything on TV, radio, or in print without an agenda. So Fox is allegedly pro-Israel? Big deal. Everybody has a side. These guys sure do.... http://www .pmw.org.il/tv%20part6.html
Now, if those people lived next door and shot rockets at you day and night, how would you feel?
I don't care if you were in Israel or not, or what you've seen or haven't. The kill ratios presented in the media (frequently distorted, do a little fact-checking) aren't the whole story anyway. Sometimes the underdog isn't right. If HAMAS was in charge, you can bet there'd be a lot more civilians killed - only it wouldn't be an accident.
And back on-topic, I have no idea about the camo thing.
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The whole country is basically in the army and they dont want the whole country running aroung in cammo. A soldier in straight green doesnt stand out in the market as much as one wearing cammo would. They want to appear a little like a normal country.
The whole country is basically in the army and they dont want the whole country running aroung in cammo. A soldier in straight green doesnt stand out in the market as much as one wearing cammo would. They want to appear a little like a normal country.
If someone was shooting rockets at me I would ask why?
If you had been packed into a city like sardines in a can, i.e. the most populated piece of land on earth, and then cut off from electricity, food, water, and aid and then most of your family was mercilessly murdered I would think you would have little hope left for living or peace. When someone can indiscriminately drop bombs and say, hey I sent you a text message, didn't you get it? you wouldn't be thinking that such an individual has your interests in mind or wants a civil negotiation.
The Hamas government is one chosen by the people yet from the beginning of their rule they were blacklisted by countries all over the world. They have existed for over a decade and they had more capabilities before they took rule. Before they were in government there had been no blockade of aid and food, etc to gaza so they were more free to do as they wished. So they were more dangerous before they took power and still during that time the Israelis killed more palestinians than vice versa. Hamas wants what it deserves, it's freedom and it's own land back. So the arguement that there would be more civilians killed is pretty much baseless unless your a fortune teller.
Palestinians consist of more than Hamas and Fatah party. There are numerous schisms within the country yet all of the groups have in the past and are currently fighting Israel. This shows that palestinians are treated equally bad. They are just retaliating as a result of being trapped like animals in a cage. No nationality, no freedom to travel, no peace, no security, no comparison.
In the end it is true that both sides dislike one another and this will not likely end, but it doesn't change the fact that one is an agressor over the other.
If you had been packed into a city like sardines in a can, i.e. the most populated piece of land on earth, and then cut off from electricity, food, water, and aid and then most of your family was mercilessly murdered I would think you would have little hope left for living or peace. When someone can indiscriminately drop bombs and say, hey I sent you a text message, didn't you get it? you wouldn't be thinking that such an individual has your interests in mind or wants a civil negotiation.
The Hamas government is one chosen by the people yet from the beginning of their rule they were blacklisted by countries all over the world. They have existed for over a decade and they had more capabilities before they took rule. Before they were in government there had been no blockade of aid and food, etc to gaza so they were more free to do as they wished. So they were more dangerous before they took power and still during that time the Israelis killed more palestinians than vice versa. Hamas wants what it deserves, it's freedom and it's own land back. So the arguement that there would be more civilians killed is pretty much baseless unless your a fortune teller.
Palestinians consist of more than Hamas and Fatah party. There are numerous schisms within the country yet all of the groups have in the past and are currently fighting Israel. This shows that palestinians are treated equally bad. They are just retaliating as a result of being trapped like animals in a cage. No nationality, no freedom to travel, no peace, no security, no comparison.
In the end it is true that both sides dislike one another and this will not likely end, but it doesn't change the fact that one is an agressor over the other.
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I've studied Israel's wars for years, and honestly have forgotten far, far more about this than Joe Average will ever know.
pre-1948: The first Jewish settlers moved to Israel, bought crappy swampland and desert from the Arabs. They turned it into great farmland. The Arabs decided they wanted it back and, aided by anti-semitic British occupying forces, raided the Jews. The Jews fought back for their existence.
1948: Israel declares itself a country. Immediately, all their neighbours declare war on them and invade. Resident Palestinians move out under promises from their Arab brethren that once Israel is swiftly defeated, the Palestinians can move into the lands the Jews bought and built up. Now, we all know how that conflict ended. Too bad for the guys who left. They started it.
1948-1967: Israel lays an a$$-whuppin' on terrorists from neighbouring countries, particularly in the 1956 Sinai campaign. The Arab countries hide in the UN petticoats so they don't have to take their medicine for the trouble they stir up.
1967: Everyone around Israel decides to gang up and fight them. Israel sees what's going on, strikes first, wins the Six-Day War. They lay a pasting on Jordan, who entered the conflict after being begged by Golda Meir not to fight. Jordan and Israel were friendly at that point, but King Hussein made the wrong call. The war ends with more general petticoat-hiding and an astounding victory on Israel's part. More Arabs are displaced after losing a war that was their own fault.
1973: Sneak attack on Israel by neighbours starts poorly for the Jews, ends in another a$$-whuppin' and yet MORE petticoat-hiding - the Russians are especially embarrassed that their weaponry they gave to the Arabs proved so ineffective.
1973-now: Arabs are now stuck in little colonies, having nowhere else to go after losing all the wars they started. They have lots of kids and plot terrorist attacks, since there is nothing else to do. Periodically they push the Jews too far, at which point the Jews push back, do some more a$$-whuppin', which again ends in petticoat-hiding.
I fail to see how any of this is Israel's fault.
Let me also say that I know all Arabs/Palestinians are NOT terrorist or anti-Israeli. Some of them get along great with the Jews. Too bad that the other anti-social HAMAS types don't like this and have ruined it. I find it funny how everywhere else in the world, when a corrupt party wins an election, the UN and other ninnies are quick to stand up and parrot lines about cheating at the ballot box, yet when HAMAS is in charge, they are constantly trumpeted as being the elected leader of the people that we must all respect. Ha!
I could go on and on, but I'd rather end it here, if that's cool. Nobody is going to change their minds.
pre-1948: The first Jewish settlers moved to Israel, bought crappy swampland and desert from the Arabs. They turned it into great farmland. The Arabs decided they wanted it back and, aided by anti-semitic British occupying forces, raided the Jews. The Jews fought back for their existence.
1948: Israel declares itself a country. Immediately, all their neighbours declare war on them and invade. Resident Palestinians move out under promises from their Arab brethren that once Israel is swiftly defeated, the Palestinians can move into the lands the Jews bought and built up. Now, we all know how that conflict ended. Too bad for the guys who left. They started it.
1948-1967: Israel lays an a$$-whuppin' on terrorists from neighbouring countries, particularly in the 1956 Sinai campaign. The Arab countries hide in the UN petticoats so they don't have to take their medicine for the trouble they stir up.
1967: Everyone around Israel decides to gang up and fight them. Israel sees what's going on, strikes first, wins the Six-Day War. They lay a pasting on Jordan, who entered the conflict after being begged by Golda Meir not to fight. Jordan and Israel were friendly at that point, but King Hussein made the wrong call. The war ends with more general petticoat-hiding and an astounding victory on Israel's part. More Arabs are displaced after losing a war that was their own fault.
1973: Sneak attack on Israel by neighbours starts poorly for the Jews, ends in another a$$-whuppin' and yet MORE petticoat-hiding - the Russians are especially embarrassed that their weaponry they gave to the Arabs proved so ineffective.
1973-now: Arabs are now stuck in little colonies, having nowhere else to go after losing all the wars they started. They have lots of kids and plot terrorist attacks, since there is nothing else to do. Periodically they push the Jews too far, at which point the Jews push back, do some more a$$-whuppin', which again ends in petticoat-hiding.
I fail to see how any of this is Israel's fault.
Let me also say that I know all Arabs/Palestinians are NOT terrorist or anti-Israeli. Some of them get along great with the Jews. Too bad that the other anti-social HAMAS types don't like this and have ruined it. I find it funny how everywhere else in the world, when a corrupt party wins an election, the UN and other ninnies are quick to stand up and parrot lines about cheating at the ballot box, yet when HAMAS is in charge, they are constantly trumpeted as being the elected leader of the people that we must all respect. Ha!
I could go on and on, but I'd rather end it here, if that's cool. Nobody is going to change their minds.
TheCoachZed: You are mistaken in one point, it was the UN, not Israel declared it as a nation. If the Palestinians(Hamas) realy want peaceall the have to do is stop the rockets and bombing of Isreal. If Hamas lays dow their arms, Ireal lays down it's arms.If Isreal lays down it's arm , Isreal is dead. Duker
I've heard this line from a few different people, and every time it is equally hard to believe. I guarantee you that if I was getting incoming rocket fire I would not be spending my time attempting to engage in chitchat :/
The point is the rocket fire is retaliatory, not a point of aggression. Who in there right mind would fight an army of tanks, planes, drones, warships and equipped soldiers with crude homemade bombs? That is the point here. Unless, it was in defense. Furthermore, the stats on how many of these rockets have killed in the last ten years is actually quite astounding. If I recall it is no more than 20 or so people. That is like 15 minutes of Israeli mayhem. On top of that these rockets were invented after years of Israeli aggression and bombings which the palestinians had no reply to.
Unfortunately, coach zed your timeline starts a little late for someone who "knows" the israeli/palestinian conflict. Long before 1948 in the late 1800's "zionists" were trying to take palestine to make the state that is today Israel. They contacted the Ottomon Caliph with requests but were numerously turned down. Thereafter, a date that you conveniently left out was 1917 when the british government, namely James Balfour made a classified statement to the effect of the british government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" . Thus, there was the Balfour Declaration. Thereafter, the british government incited the arabs from the Arabian peninsula, modern day Saudi Arabia, to revolt against the Ottomons in return for rule over the vast Arab lands, including Palestine. This promise was a blatant lie, because shortly thereafter they began assisting the migration of Jews to palestine holding true to the promise to Lord Rothschild in the Balfour declaration to help them establish their Zionist state. So your ferrytale about jewish settlers "buying" swamp land and magically turning it into the lush land is a gross mistatement. The land of Palestine has always been lush and fertile, that is why people have settled there for thousands of years. It did not take some garden tool wielding jewish settlers to transform it into what it is.
The truth is zionists have been supported by major world governments and the UN with money, moral support and weapons while the palestinians have been treated like animals. The land was clearly taken by force and anyone who "knows" about the conflict can tell you that.
Unfortunately, coach zed your timeline starts a little late for someone who "knows" the israeli/palestinian conflict. Long before 1948 in the late 1800's "zionists" were trying to take palestine to make the state that is today Israel. They contacted the Ottomon Caliph with requests but were numerously turned down. Thereafter, a date that you conveniently left out was 1917 when the british government, namely James Balfour made a classified statement to the effect of the british government "view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people" . Thus, there was the Balfour Declaration. Thereafter, the british government incited the arabs from the Arabian peninsula, modern day Saudi Arabia, to revolt against the Ottomons in return for rule over the vast Arab lands, including Palestine. This promise was a blatant lie, because shortly thereafter they began assisting the migration of Jews to palestine holding true to the promise to Lord Rothschild in the Balfour declaration to help them establish their Zionist state. So your ferrytale about jewish settlers "buying" swamp land and magically turning it into the lush land is a gross mistatement. The land of Palestine has always been lush and fertile, that is why people have settled there for thousands of years. It did not take some garden tool wielding jewish settlers to transform it into what it is.
The truth is zionists have been supported by major world governments and the UN with money, moral support and weapons while the palestinians have been treated like animals. The land was clearly taken by force and anyone who "knows" about the conflict can tell you that.
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some of you need to chill out and stay with the thread. If you want to ##### about politics....do it in OT. This was not a question about the war but rather the choice of camo clothing and I would suggest the history behind the choices...
Please stay on discussion....
Please stay on discussion....
The conflicts of the midlle east is not new. Goes back as far as recorded history, 5000 years and counting into endless perpertuity ?
However I like Stahler post, explaining the possible reason for the IDF's continuing use of, non camo, olive drap uniforms. However, it could be interesting to learn about the real reason(s) for the IDF continuing use of OD uniforms, from IDF itself.
Please google "idf uniforms" and you will find several vendors displaying and selling, among others, current IDF uniforms, all OD, exept for few camo hats.
However I like Stahler post, explaining the possible reason for the IDF's continuing use of, non camo, olive drap uniforms. However, it could be interesting to learn about the real reason(s) for the IDF continuing use of OD uniforms, from IDF itself.
Please google "idf uniforms" and you will find several vendors displaying and selling, among others, current IDF uniforms, all OD, exept for few camo hats.
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