Just Google Hodgon load data and the page will come up . Tge reduced loads section is in the top right hand of the page.
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No H4895 Varget substitute...success
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I'll be darned where I put those 308 dies!!!
Will have her shooting some factory 130 HP federal stuff maybe even as early as tomorrow....
Get used to the rifle etc. See how 3000fps goes an once we got the 40 Brass there we will get about VARGET and 150s.
Thanks guys
PS rifles a shooter so need to find recipe now
Will have her shooting some factory 130 HP federal stuff maybe even as early as tomorrow....
Get used to the rifle etc. See how 3000fps goes an once we got the 40 Brass there we will get about VARGET and 150s.
Thanks guys
PS rifles a shooter so need to find recipe now
So I guess all H4895 fans should start worrying, since that is nothing by ADI's AR2206H that is bulk shipped to N.A.
Varget, aka AR2208 is also an ADI product.
The case capacity for military 7.62 NATO brass is 54.0 grs. [Commercial .308 W.C.F. is thinner & has more case capacity]
The case capacity for .307 Winchester is 54.0 grs.
Are you able to source / use mil brass? If so, then 34.0 grs. [85% load density] of Varget should, at least according to QuickLoad, yield 2,200 fps [24" barrel @ 21 C] , using a Speer 150 gr. SP bullet [#2023] at a C.O.A.L. of 2.560". Pressure shows 28,131 psi.
GRT shows the above at 2,248 fps @ 27,949 psi.
hth
Jim
Yeah we wont see AR2206H for a long while apparently!!!!
also apparent it preferenced to export.... so yas proberly will before us lol
thanks for ya info mate
Anyone that is a fan of any old powder should be worried. I ended up getting a deal on IMR4198, IMR3031 and H4895, no I will not sell any, ha ha.
You're right about this.
My old stocks of powder are getting used up and nothing to be found other than NOS at some LGS.
Many of the older powders were manufactured for specific cartridge types and bullet weights. Each manufacturer had their own recipes but many were rebranded when sold to distributors.
This made for a lot of confusion. Example H414 and W760. Depending on who made them and which lot, loading data is interchangeable between them. Several other powders are the same.
The trend today seems to be going towards manufacturers producing three to six powders which cover all the bases from pistol, to shotgun, to centerfire rifle.
The new powders are very good; they often exceed the parameters of the older lineup of several powders they replace with one type.
This isn't the case with all of these "new" one fits all powders, when you have a specific cartridge/bullet combo and you want to get maximum performance with good accuracy.
Then of course, there is always the challenge of accepting change.
I've always been lucky enough to have as many components on hand as I need or like to shoot when I want to.
I've lost several containers, simply because they deteriorated after 75 years or more, since they were manufactured.
There are articles out there saying new cannister grade powders will deteriorate over a ten year period. When this became the standard for some powders, I don't know.
I still have powders such as 4895 on hand but it's getting down to the last keg with a useful amount of powder for extensive shooting over several different loads for milsurps. I'm not shooting as much, so it should last.
No more IMR4320 but Varget, BLC2 and CFE223 will easily replace it, with some load development.
I don't see anyone in Canada carrying and selling "surplus" powders anymore. Maybe I don't know where to look?
I was looking for more H100V for a friend and found most places out of stock, other than Higginsons Powder, which has it for a very good price. Good powder and not the same but very close to RL19, or N550. It's cheaper at Higginsons than anyplace else.
Powders come and go, it's always been that way.
Some here will still remember the old Super-Vel which was the hot rod powder back in the day. Company owner retired, sold off the facility and the new owners quit making it.
Once the current excitement in Ukraine and the ME wind down I think there will be surplus on the market again. I hope so, I've gotten a lot of great deals that route over the years. I recall bringing back 64 pounds from GI Brass for about 300 bucks back in the day. - dan
So another Question ontop of this.
Now ive got everything sorted for loading these reduced Varget 150s, what do you think of Shorter coal?? for the reduced load to mabybe keep pressure up a bit more?
im running 2.800 at moment an the 150 hot cor isnt far down the neck, this distance determined by loading a dummy an pushin it in to get a max coal, an came back a turn or about 1mm from that. ..
had me thinkin is it worth loading some shorter an testing for accuracy against the 2.800 ?
Now ive got everything sorted for loading these reduced Varget 150s, what do you think of Shorter coal?? for the reduced load to mabybe keep pressure up a bit more?
im running 2.800 at moment an the 150 hot cor isnt far down the neck, this distance determined by loading a dummy an pushin it in to get a max coal, an came back a turn or about 1mm from that. ..
had me thinkin is it worth loading some shorter an testing for accuracy against the 2.800 ?
Don't be surprised if your velocity goes up then if you increase your pressure.
Normally guns are more accurate when there is less jump for the bullet to get to the rifling, so I doubt shortening the cartridge will help.
Re: Shorter C.O.A.L.
Using the Speer 150 gr. SP FB bullet, if you use 2.800" as a COAL, you'll only have 0.244" seating depth. I like to have a 1 calibre seating depth, therefore if you use 2.730" as your COAL, you'll have a 1 calibre seating depth.
While your combustion chamber will be reduced if you use the above seating depth, you will also gain some "running room" for the bullet before it slams into the leade, which will reduce pressure, compared to having your bullet seated right up to the leade, which will add ~8,000 psi to the calculated pressure.
QL predicts 40.0 grs. of Varget @ 2.730" COAL, will yield 2,461 fps @ 35,822 psi.
Using the Speer 150 gr. SP FB bullet, if you use 2.800" as a COAL, you'll only have 0.244" seating depth. I like to have a 1 calibre seating depth, therefore if you use 2.730" as your COAL, you'll have a 1 calibre seating depth.
While your combustion chamber will be reduced if you use the above seating depth, you will also gain some "running room" for the bullet before it slams into the leade, which will reduce pressure, compared to having your bullet seated right up to the leade, which will add ~8,000 psi to the calculated pressure.
QL predicts 40.0 grs. of Varget @ 2.730" COAL, will yield 2,461 fps @ 35,822 psi.
Roger-
thank you.
i loaded a few at 2.800 an some a bit shorter, will alter the load from there pending outcomes..
ive got some FN 150gr hornady that i also loaded up at the cannelure, they are a bit shorter again, will be interesting to see how those fare with the SP loads.
i did start lower in charge for those FN to get a feel for recoil as she gets up toward say 40gr charges
appreciate the help
thank you.
i loaded a few at 2.800 an some a bit shorter, will alter the load from there pending outcomes..
ive got some FN 150gr hornady that i also loaded up at the cannelure, they are a bit shorter again, will be interesting to see how those fare with the SP loads.
i did start lower in charge for those FN to get a feel for recoil as she gets up toward say 40gr charges
appreciate the help
If you tell me what temperatures you shoot in, I'll let you know the ballistic changes.
The 150gr Hornady FN are bullets designed for a 3030, which will run a max velocity of about 2400fps. Depending on your velocity and how low the start loads really are you may be pushing the integrity of the bullets at close range.
If you are able to get 2600fps from that Varget load you can still run 150gr spire point bullets designed for the 308 and 3006, just remember that those ones are designed to open up down to about 1800fps, which will most likely be well outside your acceptable hunting range, would be for most hunters.
I am curious to see how this works out, keep us in the loop.
Success----
38gr Varget worked up from 36.5gr initially with 150gr FN, now onto the hot cores 38gr varget 2.800 and 2.750 both working sweet.... will confim a load next week.
thanks so much guys....
she is happy an her shoulder dont hurt lol
38gr Varget worked up from 36.5gr initially with 150gr FN, now onto the hot cores 38gr varget 2.800 and 2.750 both working sweet.... will confim a load next week.
thanks so much guys....
she is happy an her shoulder dont hurt lol
Were you able to check the velocity?
QL shows 2,251 fps @ 29,177 psi using your specs.
