How in the hell did you people pass your firearms test when you don't even have a grasp of the basics that determine classification. I've never seen this much ignorance on the board before. All I can say is brush up on the rules boys, before you do something to your guns that gets you into trouble with the law.
No more Remington 1100 Tactical shotguns in Canada
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From my knowledge shotshells aren't considered in the same catagory as center fired rounds
I'm probably wrong but I think this to be untrue. As far as shot gun barrel length, if a company fabricating the firearm provides a barrel shorter than 18.5 with proper choke there is no problem unless overall length is not respected.
Anyone who has used semi auto, and pump guns knows that there is very little difference in the time to send shot down range in a controlled (aimed) manner
I'm probably wrong but I think this to be untrue. As far as shot gun barrel length, if a company fabricating the firearm provides a barrel shorter than 18.5 with proper choke there is no problem unless overall length is not respected.Anyone who has used semi auto, and pump guns knows that there is very little difference in the time to send shot down range in a controlled (aimed) manner
Will I Am - the 18 1/2" semi auto centrefire barrel limit is an absolute. SACF under 18 1/2" = restricted, regardless of choke or whether original factory manufacture.
Shotgun tubular magazine capacity is a bit muddier. Apparently the 5 shot limit relates to magazine capacity using the cartridges for which the shotgun was designed. 12ga shotshells are manufactured in different lengths, and more of the very shortest rounds can be loaded in a magazine designed for the longest.
Shotgun tubular magazine capacity is a bit muddier. Apparently the 5 shot limit relates to magazine capacity using the cartridges for which the shotgun was designed. 12ga shotshells are manufactured in different lengths, and more of the very shortest rounds can be loaded in a magazine designed for the longest.
MauserMike
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Will I Am said:From my knowledge shotshells aren't considered in the same catagory as center fired rounds
Anyone who has used semi auto, and pump guns knows that there is very little difference in the time to send shot down range in a controlled (aimed) manner
You wanna gamble your life and lose with that assumption? Read what I posted from the CFC site on the 1st page of this post - its crystal clear.
As for the cycling speed, nobody said that any of C-68 makes sense. They did understand that in Australia where they BANNED pump action shotguns.
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Talking of fabarms
you can allso get single point sling mounts for the SAT8 now
TSE just got there shipment from us this week.
So you can eather get them from Us or from TSE.
Do we need to even talk about how much better the SAT8 is then the 1100.....
you can allso get single point sling mounts for the SAT8 now
TSE just got there shipment from us this week.
So you can eather get them from Us or from TSE.
Do we need to even talk about how much better the SAT8 is then the 1100.....
sillymike said:Ho well, I guess more people will be buying Fabarm SAT8
Sorry BBB, I gotta disagree 
The SAT8 has serious LCF, and a 3 inch chamber, but after having put several hundred rounds through both of these shotguns, I found the SAT8 to be lacking. The gas ports gummed up really quick causing repeated failures. I have to clean it 3X as much as the 1100 to keep it running, the rear detachable sight would detach... a lot, I couldn't keep the muzzle break on even with locktite on the securing screw. I wanted to love it, but in the end, the 1100 wins for going bang every time.
The SAT8 has serious LCF, and a 3 inch chamber, but after having put several hundred rounds through both of these shotguns, I found the SAT8 to be lacking. The gas ports gummed up really quick causing repeated failures. I have to clean it 3X as much as the 1100 to keep it running, the rear detachable sight would detach... a lot, I couldn't keep the muzzle break on even with locktite on the securing screw. I wanted to love it, but in the end, the 1100 wins for going bang every time.
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knuckleduster said:Sorry BBB, I gotta disagree
Intresting
i have shot the sat8 a fair amout my self, not my gun but stuill we put about 500rds in her that day and no problems, and on another shoot aboit 350rds.
Guess we will have to try harder nexed time
bbb
Think I'm being a bit of a #####y c*nt?Calum said:
Right after my post, and just before yours, Will I Am posted that a shotgun shell isn't a centerfire round and that a semi-auto shotgun with a barrel less than 18.5" wouldn't be restricted.
Pick up your Firearms Safety manuals that you haven't touched since you took the test and brush up on the basic definitions that determine restricted, non-restricted.
If you don't know what the f*#k you're talking about, than keep your assinine interpretation of the law to yourselves, someone is going to end up in jail or lose all of their guns because they took your advice.
If you guys still think that I'm being whinny c&nt, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it, I just don't want anyone getting into trouble because of stupid bullsh*t posted on this site by people talking out of their ass. I'm all for the cool tactical toys, I own a 14" HP9, 11.5" AR, and a 9.25" 9mm AR with a few projects in the works.
there is still the question of the shell size in tube and in mags that was never rulled clearly.
is it 5 shoot of 3'' or 2 3/4 ? what happen if you load 2'' or 1 /12'' shells in a blocked to 5 3'' shells shoot gun. Same things for mags, exemple, i have a 9mm handgun that will take the mag of the same handgun in 40 S&W but will hold and work with 12 9mm inside the 10 rnds .40 mag. etc, etc
is it 5 shoot of 3'' or 2 3/4 ? what happen if you load 2'' or 1 /12'' shells in a blocked to 5 3'' shells shoot gun. Same things for mags, exemple, i have a 9mm handgun that will take the mag of the same handgun in 40 S&W but will hold and work with 12 9mm inside the 10 rnds .40 mag. etc, etc
sillymike
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Esquif,
the magazine as such is not prohibited, but by loading more ammunition then is allowed by the law in your magazine et using that magazine in your firearm, you are committing a criminal act.
Same thing for the shotgun...
the magazine as such is not prohibited, but by loading more ammunition then is allowed by the law in your magazine et using that magazine in your firearm, you are committing a criminal act.
Same thing for the shotgun...
esquif said:
This HAS been ruled on; the maximum capacity of a centrefire semi-auto shotgun is 5 rounds of the proper shell length that the shotgun is chambered for ; if you have a semi-auto that's chambered for 12 Ga x 3 1/2" shells (and you can fit a maximum of 5 3 1/2" shells in the tube), then it doesn't MATTER how many 3", 2 3/4", 2 1/2", or 2" shells you can cram into it (assuming that they'll even cycle the action). Furthermore, that 5 rounds limit doesn't count any shells that happen to be on the lifter, which means that some designs are still perfectly legal with 5 rounds in the tube, 1 round on the lifter, and 1 round in the chamber.
SDC said:
What I would love to see in black letter print is an accepted shell length for the various lengths. I would hate to see a guy thinking he's legal running a mag extention on a 3.5 inch chambered gun that won't accept a sixth round, only to find there is a shorter factory 3.5 round.
I suppose I probably did come off a little harsh.Light Infantry said:Well , then don't insult them while explaining things. Me thinks your post was more of a "look at me, look how smart I am and how stupid everyone else is" post, rather than one of helping people.
LI
It's just that after reading this thread I was a little flabbergasted that, despite people trying to be helpful and explain things (good job smgcon and MauserMike), others would still come back and say that it was a load of crap. Think I was being rude? Re-read the thread and look at some of the other peoples posts and their responses to informative, factual info.
Not trying to be rude, or condescending, and if I came across that way, then I apologize. I'm just a little amazed at the disinformation that was being spread in this thread.
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mudgunner49
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sillymike said:
...this is bad data. Magazines can be and are in fact, prohibited devices, if they hold more than 10 rds of CF handgun ammo, or more than 5 rds of CF rifel/shotgun ammo, and are manufactured for the use in a Semi-automatic firearm!!! Doesn't have to make sense - it's just the law...
I'm not sayin' anything - I'm just sayin'...
blake
sillymike
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Blake,
Please take a minute and read his post... He is talking about a 10 rds magazine in 40S&W... more then 10 rds of 9mm could be loaded into it, but that is beside the point. The magazine is design to accept 10 rds 40S&W.
The magazine is legal in its current form (you may think otherwise, but that's just your opinion). If you don't beleive me, please call up the RCMP, they will be more then happy to explain this to you...
Please take a minute and read his post... He is talking about a 10 rds magazine in 40S&W... more then 10 rds of 9mm could be loaded into it, but that is beside the point. The magazine is design to accept 10 rds 40S&W.
The magazine is legal in its current form (you may think otherwise, but that's just your opinion). If you don't beleive me, please call up the RCMP, they will be more then happy to explain this to you...
