No more US made AR's or parts
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US Export Considerations
Comments about the sky falling and tin foil hats notwithstanding, clearly the U.S. can, should and does implement whatever export control protocols it feels are necessary. As best I can determine the controls are administered by a combination of the Department of State (ITAR) andthe Department of Commerce (EAR), depending on the class of item (and perhaps other things), but the policies and objectives that the controls implement can come from many sources including the Department of Defense.
Various regulations are currently affecting the exportability of many items from scope mounts to M-14 stocks to Canada. In some cases this is because the parties are not prepared to obtain the necessary export / import permits and paperwork, but in other cases it seems that the required U.S. export permits cannot be obtained.
Obviously foreign and trade relations are very complicated and well beyond the scope of this forum, but I would be interested to know what policy, treaty or other considerations resulted in the application of stricter controls on things like AR-15s and components to countries such as Italy.
Anybody have information (vs. speculation) on this?
Snapshot
Comments about the sky falling and tin foil hats notwithstanding, clearly the U.S. can, should and does implement whatever export control protocols it feels are necessary. As best I can determine the controls are administered by a combination of the Department of State (ITAR) andthe Department of Commerce (EAR), depending on the class of item (and perhaps other things), but the policies and objectives that the controls implement can come from many sources including the Department of Defense.
Various regulations are currently affecting the exportability of many items from scope mounts to M-14 stocks to Canada. In some cases this is because the parties are not prepared to obtain the necessary export / import permits and paperwork, but in other cases it seems that the required U.S. export permits cannot be obtained.
Obviously foreign and trade relations are very complicated and well beyond the scope of this forum, but I would be interested to know what policy, treaty or other considerations resulted in the application of stricter controls on things like AR-15s and components to countries such as Italy.
Anybody have information (vs. speculation) on this?
Snapshot
First... when I read the AR15.com posting I didn't believe it... but just to be sure I contacted US State Department's "Response Team" to ask them directly. According to them, each export license application is considered on it's own individual merits (that's their words not mine). He indicated that he was not aware of any general policy or exclusion that would deny all AR15 related export permit requests and he further stated that if such a policy was in place or about to be put in place he felt he and others on the staff would be aware of it... so it's simply not true, at least not at this time.
Second... getting short barreled stuff out of the States is getting to be more and more difficult. We have a permit application "in process" right now that, if approved, will get us a shipment of 11.5" complete barreled uppers. I haven't and won't take orders on these until we know for sure that the permit will be approved. Frankly I'm not that confident it will. Lately the only sure approvals are for government orders (law enforcement and military).
Like Claven2 says... last resort - cut it down
Second... getting short barreled stuff out of the States is getting to be more and more difficult. We have a permit application "in process" right now that, if approved, will get us a shipment of 11.5" complete barreled uppers. I haven't and won't take orders on these until we know for sure that the permit will be approved. Frankly I'm not that confident it will. Lately the only sure approvals are for government orders (law enforcement and military).
Like Claven2 says... last resort - cut it down
Questar -- I spoke to a few at US DoS -- I think you get a somewhat different answer depending upon who answeres the phone or email - but the gist is pretty much the same.
I wish you luck on the 11.5's - some permits seem to make it -- some don't
I wish you luck on the 11.5's - some permits seem to make it -- some don't
BJP said:
Okay... my fault... poor choice of words. You take an 11.5" US barrel which now days they weld a 5.5" flash suppressor to. In the US that is considered a 16" + barrel and legal... but in Canada we consider that an 11.5" barrel... so when you cut the flash suppressor off you still have a legally manufactured 11.5" barrel. Voila
Agreed with respect to some guns. As for an AR, it's a grey area. Until a barrel is assembled onto a receiver, the firearm is not manufactured. It's registered as a stripped receiver only.
You can buy a barrel blank of ANY length and cut it to any length, but the first time you assemble the AR15 into a rifle and have your registration changed to reflect that it's now an assembled rifle, you have to declare the baseline bbl length.
It would be like buying a stripped reminton 870 receiver and putting a 14" barrel on it the first time its registered - legal.
So technically you CAN take a 16" barrel and cut it to 14.5" and then install it on a new stripped receiver and then register the firearm as a newly produced 14.5" carbine. And anyhow, the cutoff length is 18.5" so under Canadian law, a 16" berrel is already a barrel with a length of less than 470mm so you are not really changing its class.
You can buy a barrel blank of ANY length and cut it to any length, but the first time you assemble the AR15 into a rifle and have your registration changed to reflect that it's now an assembled rifle, you have to declare the baseline bbl length.
It would be like buying a stripped reminton 870 receiver and putting a 14" barrel on it the first time its registered - legal.
So technically you CAN take a 16" barrel and cut it to 14.5" and then install it on a new stripped receiver and then register the firearm as a newly produced 14.5" carbine.
And anyhow, the cutoff length is 18.5" so under Canadian law, a 16" berrel is already a barrel with a length of less than 470mm so you are not really changing its class.
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TheCanuck said:
buy a 16 inch M4 style barrel and a hacksaw 8)
You can cut down AR barrels to what ever size -- I had one cut to 4"
The AR is already a restrcited firearm - dont confuse legislation for non restricted's with restricted's, and dont confuse pistol barrel min lenght with restricted rifle's...
The AR is already a restrcited firearm - dont confuse legislation for non restricted's with restricted's, and dont confuse pistol barrel min lenght with restricted rifle's...
hr said:oh rats.. maybe now we will be stuck /w more of those pesky Euro AR15s (hope TSE gets more)
http://www.oberlandarms.com/index.php?category=Waffen&id=0&page=
That thing looks like it was assembled from a mechano set!
bernse said:hr said:oh rats.. maybe now we will be stuck /w more of those pesky Euro AR15s (hope TSE gets more)
http://www.oberlandarms.com/index.php?category=Waffen&id=0&page=
That thing looks like it was assembled from a mechano set!
Actually it doesn't look that bad.
Considering that the rail system is an ARMS S.I.R,The scope mounts & BUIS are ARMS, the front sight is a PRI unit, and the stock is a Vltor.
It is no different then anything you would normally find over here. :wink:
SKBY.
Claven2 said:
The Vltor stock has compartments on the side for spare batteries and such, and when shooting prone, a lot of guys like to hole the rear of the stock.The "Clubfoot" style gives your hand a nice place to hold.
SKBY.
Gunslinger said:
I don't know about you, but I'd like ot keep running Colt and Armalite - forget Norinco and their non-standard threads, limited options, etc. The whole point of the AR system is its modularity and interchangeability.
Yes, Norks work, but many parts are non-spec compared to USGI.
