No more Vortex for me

I own several vortex offerings.... I have one (my fault) RMA.

I have never had an issue, and I could not afford to outfit my collection with NF or S&B.

I have seen many S&B PM-II fail, I have seen a few Leopold fail, and I have seen a few vortex fail....

I want to upgrade my 6-24 pst to a NF BEAST, but that will likely not happen for a while.


I am happy with my vortex.
 
Globalstar66 said:
Enough already.....
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Hey it's not me that's posting strange information and making wild claims. I posted a couple pages back that the prices from Euro Optic were nearly dollar for dollar the same as what is being offered by Canadian vendors for all the high end brands plus Vortex. Somehow you seemed to gloss over that fact and continued on your US price comparison rant. P&D also posted that the Vortex prices are set by Vortex.

Daver_II said:
I own several vortex offerings.... I have one (my fault) RMA.

I have never had an issue, and I could not afford to outfit my collection with NF or S&B.

I have seen many S&B PM-II fail, I have seen a few Leopold fail, and I have seen a few vortex fail....

I want to upgrade my 6-24 pst to a NF BEAST, but that will likely not happen for a while.


I am happy with my vortex.
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No offence but I have to chuckle when people mention their "collections". Personally I don't "collect" any firearms, I own several for several different reasons. I think it makes more sense to have fewer firearms of higher quality with higher quality optics/accessories over having a pile of average firearms with average/ow end accessories. Having one or two high end optics such as the BEAST and moving it from rifle to rifle makes sense as well. After all you can only shoot one at a time.
 
Kidd X said:
Hey it's not me that's posting strange information and making wild claims. I posted a couple pages back that the prices from Euro Optic were nearly dollar for dollar the same as what is being offered by Canadian vendors for all the high end brands plus Vortex. Somehow you seemed to gloss over that fact and continued on your US price comparison rant. P&D also posted that the Vortex prices are set by Vortex.



No offence but I have to chuckle when people mention their "collections". Personally I don't "collect" any firearms, I own several for several different reasons. I think it makes more sense to have fewer firearms of higher quality with higher quality optics/accessories over having a pile of average firearms with average/ow end accessories. Having one or two high end optics such as the BEAST and moving it from rifle to rifle makes sense as well. After all you can only shoot one at a time.
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I find it funny you generalize collections as average with junk accessories. I guess I hang with a much different crowd than you do.

I've had no problems with any scope I've had, Vortex, NF, S&B, or Leupold. All good from 22 up to 375 and 458, 338LM, and a lot in between. I had Vortex 1-6 RHD's on both my Tavor and NR ACR, and I "bushed" those guns hiking and hunting varmints a lot. Never had an issue with either one. Didn't care if I did. Warranty. I've been running a Razor HD 85mm spotter for a couple years and just bought a second one (for wife and kids) as they were discounted before the new version arrived on shelves. Again, packed and sacked through the woods, maybe 1200-1400km or hiking, backpacking, and camping on the first one and it's fine.

Guess I've been lucky with optics.
 
Kidd X said:
The prices are appealing when compared to some top brands. The value for that price is just no there and it's this lack of knowledge that Vortex capitalizes on. The margins are high for dealers as well which turns them into free salesman for Vortex.
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So Vortex operates in a similar manner to you then....False Claims.

Just read Kidd X trader ratings...

"Guy is a a piece of work claims Item is not what was advertised yet received pic"
 
Kidd X said:
Hey it's not me that's posting strange information and making wild claims. I posted a couple pages back that the prices from Euro Optic were nearly dollar for dollar the same as what is being offered by Canadian vendors for all the high end brands plus Vortex. Somehow you seemed to gloss over that fact and continued on your US price comparison rant. P&D also posted that the Vortex prices are set by Vortex.



No offence but I have to chuckle when people mention their "collections". Personally I don't "collect" any firearms, I own several for several different reasons. I think it makes more sense to have fewer firearms of higher quality with higher quality optics/accessories over having a pile of average firearms with average/ow end accessories. Having one or two high end optics such as the BEAST and moving it from rifle to rifle makes sense as well. After all you can only shoot one at a time.
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Yes, several rifles, in several calibers. Each with an optic.
And each for a different purpose....

A collection of firearms.

My firearms collect dust.... From the range, bush, and backcountry.

A .22, .223, 308, is three different rifles, by your logic all three should have $3500 scopes?

Now add my T97, My .17 hmr, etc.


Five $1200 viper PSTs is realistic for me,

Five $3500 NF is not.
 
scott_r said:
So Vortex operates in a similar manner to you then....False Claims.

Just read Kidd X trader ratings...

"Guy is a a piece of work claims Item is not what was advertised yet received pic"
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If you would like the full details on the false representation given by the seller and the promise of refund that never happened I would be happy to send you all the PM's. I can also send you the contact info of another CGN member who had to hunt down the seller in person to get his item.
 
OP update, new Diamondback 2-8x32 reinstalled on Mossberg 375Ruger

I used Vortex rings and a Fat Wrench to torque them. 40 rnds downrange this week; 20 mid range, and 20 at the top end of the table today. No optic issues so far. The rifle heats up and groups open to 3"+@100M after 2 3 rnd groups. After cooling it will cloverleaf 2 rounds; I haven't been able to get the 3rd one in a row downrange without pulling it. 1 3rnd group at 1MOA today. Even reloading Speer 270gr and Varget it's running $1.20/shot. The rifle/scope combo doesn't measure up to the CZ375H&H with VX3 that I also have, so the Mossberg will probably hit the EE soon. I'll keep the Vortex I think.
 
Daver_II said:
Yes, several rifles, in several calibers. Each with an optic.
And each for a different purpose....

A collection of firearms.

My firearms collect dust.... From the range, bush, and backcountry.

A .22, .223, 308, is three different rifles, by your logic all three should have $3500 scopes?

Now add my T97, My .17 hmr, etc.


Five $1200 viper PSTs is realistic for me,

Five $3500 NF is not.
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I've put my hands on a Viper PST, which had been marked down to $999 ($250 off) as there is a Version II coming out... it's a great value for the dollar. Vortex is popular because you get a lot of scope for the dollar and if it sh!ts the bed you send it back and you get a new one or they fix it.

My vision sucks (-7.00 high index eyeglasses) and I can see crystal clear out to 16x magnification in the PST which surprised me (believe me, that's rare for me)...

I have a Bushnell reflex sight that hasn't sh!t the bed yet, it's still functional on my pistol carbine. Also have a Vortex Venom on my 12G which has taken some abuse - still ticking.

Not everything is fragile and will fall apart if a feather drops on it, but it's good to know that Vortex will stand behind their product even if your dog eats your scope.

All this being said, I'm really thinking about buying a tried and true Leupold VX-2 scope... doubt it'll be as clear as the PST, but I'm not privileged enough to find all these scopes side by side to look into. Maybe I need to go to a Cabelas in Michigan to see what I want to buy here as there's very few to put my hands on here.
 
Daver_II said:
Yes, several rifles, in several calibers. Each with an optic.
And each for a different purpose....

A collection of firearms.

My firearms collect dust.... From the range, bush, and backcountry.

A .22, .223, 308, is three different rifles, by your logic all three should have $3500 scopes?

Now add my T97, My .17 hmr, etc.


Five $1200 viper PSTs is realistic for me,

Five $3500 NF is not.
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Very late reply here.

I never said you should pair a $3500 optic to every rifle. The rimfire for starters doesn't need such an overbuilt optic. You also don't need to spend $3500 to get a high end optic, plenty available in the sub $3000 range and a good selection under $2000. Having multiple rifles entails having multiple optics and accessories for each. If you can't afford to adequately support X number of guns then maybe you shouldn't have X number of guns. You can only shoot one at a time anyway.
 
IMO the Vortex Razor II is a legit high-end scope - on a par with NF ATACR and ahead of NF NXS and only a bit behind Kahles and S+B in glass ( yes, I have all these scopes so I can say this ). The other Vortex scopes - mmmm, not so great with maybe the PST being OK. The value buy amongst glass at the present is the old Bushnell DMR and even more so the new DMR ii - not NF quality but really rather good and excellent dollar value.
 
emerson said:
Shooting my 375 Ruger today, standing off hand; Vortex Diamondback 2-8 reticle was canted 15* left after a 3 rnd string. I've shot it off the bench previously, but never in a sled, always recoiling against my shoulder. A $400 scope shouldn't fail after 40rnds 30-06(previously mounted rifle) and 60 rnds of 375. I was going to use this rifle to hunt next week but not now. I have a SPARC that the dot came on sporadically. Replaced, but don't trust it. Vortex binos haven't failed yet. I'll send this Diamondback away for a replacement that will arrive after the season is done. At this price point the scope should function. I'm not expecting incredible performance, just functional.
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Sounds like you needed to buy a Leupold first time around....
Rob
 
Kidd X said:
Very late reply here.

I never said you should pair a $3500 optic to every rifle. The rimfire for starters doesn't need such an overbuilt optic. You also don't need to spend $3500 to get a high end optic, plenty available in the sub $3000 range and a good selection under $2000. Having multiple rifles entails having multiple optics and accessories for each. If you can't afford to adequately support X number of guns then maybe you shouldn't have X number of guns. You can only shoot one at a time anyway.
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You're clearly not trying hard enough. lol
 
I stay away from anything Vortex manufactures in China or the Philippines. They're Japanese made Razor products seem to hold up and function very well,

Patrick
 
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