No PRECSION BUILDS for 2013 allowed in canada

I've always been of the mind that if someone ordered a barrel through a Canadian dealer for a U.S. manufacturer and that dealer's buddy ordered the same barrel a couple of months later, dealer's buddy would get the first one that arrived. Maybe not with all the Canadian dealers, but probably one or two.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
You can't change supply and demand with a petition.

If you feel you are getting treated improperly go to some of our sponsors , they WILL give you the skinny on availability.

People are willing to wait on a 80K vehicle that is ordered or wait for a new home to be built.
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Not all sponsors on our site communicate "the skinny on availability" some are very good and exceed expectation a few....well an ape could type more words in a email reply.
 
This is how I conduct the process of a custom build regardless of what it is or how much

FIRST - confirm what the customer wants. This is a huge task as many really need alot of guidance here. Every spec, detail, part, performance level and just as important - PRICE. When we both agree on what will end up in their hands...

SECOND - we start sourcing parts. Some we have onhand, others we make, others we source. ETA is given and for the most part, pretty close. Can there be delays? You bet. will a customer be informed? Absolutely.

THIRD - A build work order is drawn up and copied to the customer. All of the specs in "FIRST" are confirmed AGAIN to ensure no one is pointing fingers later. We cover the points in detail and we build to those specs. When a build is started, it can be modified BUT additional costs and/or delays to be accepted by customer.

I spend ALOT of time spelling things out so will not accept that "I never mentioned that" or "I didn't understand". Clarify and confirm before signing off on the work order.
A build time is scheduled and final parts are requested. If there no major problems, unforseen hiccups or changes in customer specs, the build proceeds and we get it out the door pretty much in the prescribed time line.

I do not want to have shelves of other peoples stuff. Procrastination costs me money so I have little interest in taking any more time then necessary.

My business is about meeting customers expectations and getting product out the door.

This is how I do my business - right or wrong, I cannot say but so far, no one is complaining.... and we are pretty darn busy.

YMMV.

Jerry
 
Jefferson said:
Jefferson (brought in over 150K in bullets, 50 barrels, 35 actions, and so on over the years, also designed 2 stocks that are currently being made and sold around the world so this is not my first attempt into the business of providing parts or building guns)
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And this is because even you know that the market is so small in Canada that it never makes sence for anyone to set up shop here...........and hense we have to source to the USA for parts and materials.........and they say.....your from where???? We wait for them to get to us because we are patient, if we wanted to yell and scream at them because we are sick of waiting you know they would just laugh at us.....how much would sales drop off if Canada was out of the picture???? I doubt they would miss us in the great scheme of things........

I might just a new thread.......in the precicion thread........I have a new barrel for another new build in 2013....I just haven't figured out what to chamber it in yet.........but I have picked the caliber........
 
You can't call out smiths or dealers on this forum! If you do you get flamed first then caned in the town square!
We have all had bad experiences with smiths and dealers, many on this site, I want to see what happens to the guy that calls out one of our site sponsors!
Who has the balls out there to do it?
 
I've been analyzing this for a little while to see what I can maybe incorporate into my regular business. I see a few areas of opportunity but at the same time I think there's lots of good reasons for things being the way they are, so I'm approaching it carefully.

In terms a availability, Credit to stock inventory is definitely a big factor, this is also not a primary source of income for most gunsmiths doing it in Canada. There's also too much variety/colors/options and so on to ever be able to have everything on hand anybody wants and that's if only trying to please some of the precision rifle crowd. Then you have the issue of stuff that goes " out of style " bad place to tie up money. I also heard of the guys who will cancel midway through the build and leave the smith/dealer stuck with a few thousand $ of components, good reason to want $ upfront.

Almost everything coming from the US is a big issue, and they're clearly showing no desire to ever increase production to shorten delivery times(for good reason). Trying to manufacture in Canada with the years it takes to make a name to get a small % of an already small market, not easy, hardly viable as a business, no bank is gonna loan $ for this.
 
SND said:
...In terms a availability, Credit to stock inventory is definitely a big factor, this is also not a primary source of income for most gunsmiths doing it in Canada. There's also too much variety/colors/options and so on to ever be able to have everything on hand anybody wants and that's if only trying to please some of the precision rifle crowd. Then you have the issue of stuff that goes " out of style " bad place to tie up money. I also heard of the guys who will cancel midway through the build and leave the smith/dealer stuck with a few thousand $ of components, good reason to want $ upfront...
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Ah yes. One reason why I don't stock barrels, actions, and stocks. Way too many options. Small dealers/gunsmiths cannot afford to get burned for a large sum of money.
That's why I leave it up to the customer to source the major parts or pay it upfront.
And yes, one less Precision gun getting built this year because of one major part still not available. I'll need to order late spring to have it for next winter hopefully and ready for 2014. In Canada I've learned to prepare for a two year waiting period for total custom builds. Usually it happens sooner.
Did I mention that none if this stuff is made in Canada any longer, well maybe the odd barrel.
 
ivo said:
You can't call out smiths or dealers on this forum! If you do you get flamed first then caned in the town square!
We have all had bad experiences with smiths and dealers, many on this site, I want to see what happens to the guy that calls out one of our site sponsors!
Who has the balls out there to do it?
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Can you say, "ban hammer"?
 
duceman said:
the easiest way to solve this problem is start buying locally; canadian made.
although canada is a small market, a ton of parts come in from the us every year.
there are world class barrel makers here in canada, yet to get the glory of owning something 'exotic' that your peers may have, people order parts from out of country to 'look' as good as everyone else.
maybe if some more people would support our canadian economy, more makers would step up to meet demand.
or does every one feel that there are no canadians smart or good enough to keep up with an american? lee
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So we do have a few Canadian manufacturers then?
I always try to by Canadian when I can. American second, and over seas when there are no other options.
Who are these elusive few Canadian manufatcurers?

As to the original intent if this thread, not sure, but it seems like "buyer beware, and, do your homework first" would solve some of the troubles.
 
I generally do my own sourcing, even from the US. With the services provided by Prophet river or sans nom, timeframes for parts are often significantly improved. As more people go those routes, national builders will need to step up their inventory and quality of service to meet the market. Its the only way the problem will be 'fixed', if it is broken. Market rules.
 
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