No4 Sniper Clone

berger

berger

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
44   0   1
Location
Guess?
Hey Guys.

I have a nice 1954 No4 Irish that I was going to sell, (not in cosmoline) and I personally have put 40rds through it since I bought it, but I have since changed my mind. So, I have decided that it would be cool to turn it into a WWII Enfield Sniper clone. Where would I find a repro or original mount and scope? If I do this, I would get a gunsmith to do all the tapping work. I know, the purists out there might be pissed, but it is my rifle and I own a few No4s.

Thanks guys.
 
I know how some of you guys feel, and I am really trying to steer away from, should I or shouldn't I, as I have been collecting things for years. I would never touch my LongBranch, No5 or No1 and this one is extraneous to my collection. I have comics that were once worth $2000 and now are barely $200, so I know how the market, trends and attitudes can fluctuate, and I want to enjoy it more, rather than let it sit in the safe.

If we can get away from the "flaming", does anyone know of where can get the mount and period scope?
 
I find it funny how people fiind this such a travesty, but are not willing to pony up the doe when the very same rifle is up for sale. I paid $425 from P&S, so it is avalable to anyone at that price.
 
lol, I just couldn't resist the "SHTF" remark lol. Well, since typed words on the internet will not stop you, they might as well help right? here is a link to a repro mount, it looks OK, but I never did use it.

e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=1047050&chrSuperSKU=&MC=

I might get a set of these if I do make my 7.62 enfield out of a 7.62 barrel and a bubba'd No.4.

As for a scope, some of the old weaver K series scopes 3x and under look somewhat authentic, I have a K3 on a sporter I turned into a poor mans sniper, it looks alright. You could probably get a really good condition one really cheap from a store that deals in used things, or post on the EE. I paid $100 for mine, And I heard of people paying under $50 for a new condition ones since they are "old technology" and everyone wants the latest.
 
LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1 said:
lol, I just couldn't resist the "SHTF" remark lol. Well, since typed words on the internet will not stop you, they might as well help right? here is a link to a repro mount, it looks OK, but I never did use it.

e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=1047050&chrSuperSKU=&MC=

I might get a set of these if I do make my 7.62 enfield out of a 7.62 barrel and a bubba'd No.4.

As for a scope, some of the old weaver K series scopes 3x and under look somewhat authentic, I have a K3 on a sporter I turned into a poor mans sniper, it looks alright. You could probably get a really good condition one really cheap from a store that deals in used things, or post on the EE. I paid $100 for mine, And I heard of people paying under $50 for a new condition ones since they are "old technology" and everyone wants the latest.
Click to expand...

Thanks!
 
I had a #4 with a mis-matched bolt. I used to use it as a shooter in 3030 matches.

I decided to make it what I call my pseudo-sniper. I got a K3 with a post for it, but never got around to using it. instead I use a 4-12 zoom that has an elevation drum for 100 - 450 yards.

DSCN0294.jpg
 
Hey Berger, if your Irish really is in the right serial number range and looks almost perfect, I'll sure consider taking it before you drill anything...

Because that'd be perfect to go with my recently found Parker Hale rear sight!

Lou
 
berger said:
Hey Guys.

I have a nice 1954 No4 Irish that I was going to sell, (not in cosmoline) and I personally have put 40rds through it since I bought it, but I have since changed my mind. So, I have decided that it would be cool to turn it into a WWII Enfield Sniper clone. Where would I find a repro or original mount and scope? If I do this, I would get a gunsmith to do all the tapping work. I know, the purists out there might be pissed, but it is my rifle and I own a few No4s.

Thanks guys.
Click to expand...

Berger- Member Billybob has made and put on sale a succession of these already done. Perhaps just buy one of his with the pads installed and a repro mount and facsimile scope already done for you?
Sell the untouched No 4 Mk 2 to someone else?

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=394290
 
Thanks guys.

I am going to price out what it might cost, thanks to some helpful suggestions, and see where I go with it.

Lou, you will be the first to know if I change my mind. ;)
 
IF you'd rather not drill it, and don't need it to replicate the look, something similar to the layout can be had in the Cad-Technik mount, which attaches with included screws at the ejector and safety. I have a couple of them and won't part with them because I like them. Not everyone likes them so much. As far as I know, no one is selling them in Canada, but Brownells still listed them last time I looked.

An older Weaver K2.5 or K3 is similar in size to the authentic scope, which was 2.5x magnification with a post and crosshair reticle, and some of the older Weavers have that reticle. I have one of those, too, (paid $60 used) and won't be parting with that in the foreseeable future, either.

It's a shame to drill a collectible milsurp, but you should do what you think best with your property, and to be fair, a 1950s No.4Mk2 that probably went from the production line to war reserve inventory and then was sold surplus without an infantryman ever getting his hands on it is less of a historic artifact than a wartime production rifle that may have been used in battle.
 
Berger,

I will suggest for you to purchase a book as a part of your project.

An Armourer's Perspective: .303 No.4(T) Sniper Rifle
Click to expand...

http://www.snipercountry.com/BVT_Reviews/303Armourer.asp

It won't cost you much, but it will give you some insight as to the difficulties that are inherent with attempting to make a "Clone" Enfield Sniper.

I had the action chosen
I had the cheekrest
I had the mount/bracket
I had the pads
I had the screws

I got the book to help me with the project.

I have a Mill, a lathe, and some technical expertise/machining skill.

I read the book.

I sold the cheekrest, the bracket, the pads and the screws (I kept the rifle)

I bought a #4(T).

I've been to Fultons in Bisley and have photos of parts of the process for mating the pads to the receiver.

It can be done, make no mistake, but to get it done CORRECTLY, so that the scope is aligned correctly with the bore is the real challenge.

Bear in mind, the originals had the pads fitted, (bolted and "sweated" on) and then the receiver was fitted into a jig, and the finish machining of the mating surfaces was completed in the jig.

(Tolerance was about .002" for location, both horizontally and vertically, otherwise it would use too much of the available windage and elevation adjustment on the #32 telescope.)

If you're using a modern scope instead of a #32, there may be a bit more leeway there, but not a lot.

If you think you can do it, go for it, but I'll strongly suggest you buy the book to better understand the process.

Oh, and there's a guy on here, Billybob (I think) who has done this, and occasionally pops an Enfield sniper clone up in the EE, using the correct style bracket and mounts. His projects usually run under $1000, and look pretty good. I was dang close to buying one, but ended up with a real #4(T) instead.

That might be an option for you, instead of buying a $150 set of mounts and screws, a $70 cheekrest, a $230 bracket, paying a smith $200-ish or so to install the brackets, and have them not properly aligned, messing up a $375 rifle.

That said, if you must proceed, I will suggest contacting Fulton's of Bisley for a set of their mounting pads (Front and rear, with bolts) as well as a proper wood cheekrest, and go to Sarco for one of their repro scope brackets. I have also heard rumors of late regarding the existance of fake #32 telescopes, (seen at a UK militaria show I think it was). so there might be opportunity to get a cheaper look-alike of the #32.

Good luck, and keep us advised of how you intend to proceed, and take some photos of the process if you can! Pics of guns are always welcome here!

NS
 
NOOOOOOOOO! You want to shoot what you own? You mean it doesn't shoot now?

If you Absolutely must, got one of those NO-gunsmithing mounts. and save the bits you remove to install it so it can be put back in the future

Finding an original scope is going to FLATTEN your wallet. There are NO repros
There are repro scope mounts coming out of India sold by Numrich
Now the best part, you may find the scope pads but the reciever MUST be machined before installing the front pad or the scope will not line up properly. I might add finding the proper screws to mount the pads will also be a problem,
The Fake T's sold by another company used PHILLIPS HEAD SCREWS to mount the pads.

Oh by the way Berger I DId pony up the dough, THREE TIMES;)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom