Got about 15 lbs of this. Box states equivalent to red dot by weight. Any old timers load 12 gauge with this powder? Looking at loading target loads with this and looking for load info from noble or those who have used this powder. Thanks.
Noble No 1 trap
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You could phone Andrew at Higginsons as that is powder his dad sold. He likely has record of it and how to use it. I would go by weight like it says and it may take a different bushing than red dot because of volume.
I was going to do the red dot by weight and try a few.
I used a lot of that powder when I was trap shooting and it really is the equivalent of RED DOT by weight.
However, it is a bit bulkier, if memory serves, so if you're using a press with a charge bar inserts, you will need to experiment until you find one that is suitable for the charge you require for your load.
It's good powder and very consistent all around.
I gave the powder I had left, along with the load data to the fellow that bought my trap gun many years ago. I have no idea where he is now or I would ask him if he still has it.
However, it is a bit bulkier, if memory serves, so if you're using a press with a charge bar inserts, you will need to experiment until you find one that is suitable for the charge you require for your load.
It's good powder and very consistent all around.
I gave the powder I had left, along with the load data to the fellow that bought my trap gun many years ago. I have no idea where he is now or I would ask him if he still has it.
Actually, Tom was Andrew's Grandfather and it would be a longshot for them to have any load data for that powder, unless it's buried somewhere in their files.
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This link might be useful...
https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/threads/nobel-magnum-6-powder.82124/
Excerpt:
We know, based on Ammomart's sales sheets I have in my possession that their powders were made by Nobel in Glasgow Scotland. This information is also on their sheet:
We carry 4 Nobel Shotgun Powders: 1 (Fastest burning, similar to Red Dot, green identifier), 2 (Medium load, Unique type, Yellow identifier), 4 (For heavy field and magnum loads- Herco equivalent - 12 gau. 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 oz. loads) , & 6 (For Magnum loads).
The manual says that they only produced 3 shotgun powders at the time;
NGSP 78 the fastest of the Nobel shotgun range. Had green identifier granules.
NGSP 80 mid range speed wise of the Nobel shotgun powders. Had blue identifier granules.
NGSP 82 the slowest of the Nobel shotgun range. Had yellow identifier granules.
Further down is a table that lists the Nobel name & the Higginson name:
Nobel Rifle 0 = Higginson / Ammomart 104
Nobel Rifle 1 = Higginson / Ammomart 103
Nobel Pistol 3 = Higginson / Ammomart 16
Nobel Shotgun 78 = Higginson / Ammomart 1
Nobel Shotgun 82 = Higginson / Ammomart 2
https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/threads/nobel-magnum-6-powder.82124/
Excerpt:
We know, based on Ammomart's sales sheets I have in my possession that their powders were made by Nobel in Glasgow Scotland. This information is also on their sheet:
We carry 4 Nobel Shotgun Powders: 1 (Fastest burning, similar to Red Dot, green identifier), 2 (Medium load, Unique type, Yellow identifier), 4 (For heavy field and magnum loads- Herco equivalent - 12 gau. 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 oz. loads) , & 6 (For Magnum loads).
The manual says that they only produced 3 shotgun powders at the time;
NGSP 78 the fastest of the Nobel shotgun range. Had green identifier granules.
NGSP 80 mid range speed wise of the Nobel shotgun powders. Had blue identifier granules.
NGSP 82 the slowest of the Nobel shotgun range. Had yellow identifier granules.
Further down is a table that lists the Nobel name & the Higginson name:
Nobel Rifle 0 = Higginson / Ammomart 104
Nobel Rifle 1 = Higginson / Ammomart 103
Nobel Pistol 3 = Higginson / Ammomart 16
Nobel Shotgun 78 = Higginson / Ammomart 1
Nobel Shotgun 82 = Higginson / Ammomart 2
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If I had that powder, I would load some pistol ammo with it, using red dot data and test over a chrono. This would either confirm that it is like red dot, or is slower. If slower, it is Unique speed. In a pistol it should be obvious which it is. Shotgun ammo tends to have more variables, although RD and Unique are so far apart in speed, it should be clear which it is.
Which ever it is, 15 pounds is a very useful amount of a good powder. I would use it for shotgun, pistol ammo and cast bullets in rifles.
Which ever it is, 15 pounds is a very useful amount of a good powder. I would use it for shotgun, pistol ammo and cast bullets in rifles.
What I planned on doing. Just was looking for info from those they may have used it.
I figured I would burn it up on sporting clays. If I use the Nobel I can save the 12 pound keg of 700x with the way prices are going it may be worth a small fortune when I retire!
That was Tom's way of doing things, so that buyers of surplus powders would have an idea of what they were looking at.
At one time they offered Nobel powders from 78-86
I'm digging way back but I have it in my mind that "Trap 1" is Nobel 78 and that the load for my 12 gauge trap shotgun was 20.5 grains for 1oz loads and 19.5 grains for 1 1/8oz loads
Thank you for your info
