Nokes Patent

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Hi , I posted this a few week ago over on the hunting and sporting thread.
But did not get much of a response.

I am interested in finding out more about this old hammer gun ?



I do not think it is a particularly valuable piece , but I am interested in learning its value and history.
 
Google is your friend.

I went googling for this one because it is one I haven't run into before.

Christies' had one for sale a while back. Here is what I stole from them:

Lot Description

AN UNUSUAL W. NOKES 1881 PATENT 14-BORE HAMMER GUN, NO. 147
The action incorporating W. Nokes heelplate safety and locking-bolt patent No. 2378 of 1881, the very unusual patent design combining a butt safety with transverse locking bolts acting directly through circular extensions on the bases of the hammers, toplever, elongated lockplates, foliate-scroll engraving with traces of hardening-colour, well-figured stock with skeletal butt-plate, the browned fine damascus barrels with game-rib.

The critter went for 717 Pounds Sterling, which is a tad over 1100 bucks: not pocket change by any means.

Beautiful rose-and-scroll English engraving on the locks and superb wood!

I note that both barrels are marked as 13-bores. Will the Chambers accept 12-bore cartridges easily? Sometimes a gun with 12-bore chambers and tight or choked bores would be Proofed and labelled as a 13...... but sometimes not. This Company is known to have built 14-gauge breechloaders and, at that time, everyone with the money had their own favourites, so it is certainly possible that a very small shop could have built a 13-bore gun and made up the ammunition for it.

Likely somebody will say that I'm nuts for that last statement, but I'm the guy who has an 11-gauge Scott double gun in my vault..... and it is DEFINITELY an 11. Mine is Number 2 of a pair, so there is another out there somewhere. Ten-bore ammo will fit into the chambers, but you need a wood block and a HAMMER to get them in, ramrod to get them out and I really don't like that. It is an 11, no doubt. Cartridges of the World NOW lists the ammo, although they did not for about the first 8 editions.

No real matter. Guns such as yours seem to be rare enough that nobody would risk the critter by taking it out and firing it.

The Noakes Patent referred to a novel Locking-bar mechanism and a positive SAFETY actuated by the heel of the Butt-plate. Butt-plate on the gun at auction is described as "skeleton" and so is there mainly to actuate the Safety. Highest-grade guns often had NO Butt-plates at all, a way of showing that the owner was rich enough to afford a gun-bearer and the gun never touched the ground. Is your buttplate skeletonised or solid?

On your gun, the wood ALONE shows that it was made for someone with a LOT of money and excellent taste. A gun THIS rare should be traceable, if you work at it.

I would REALLY like to see what is INSIDE one of these, but I don't suppose I'll ever get the chance!

You have a Very Fine Toy which is also worth a considerable chunk of money.

Thanks for showing.

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This is my 6009th post.

The number 6009 reads the same if you turn it upside-down, same as did 1961.

The NEXT upside-down number is 6119, then comes 8008, the one after that bing 8118 and then 9006.

Doesn't that make you feel all educated-up at this time of the morning?

LOL!

And I'm still waiting for my GOATS!
 
I am guessing that your gun was made around 1875 or a bit before. I also think that comparing the stock with the metal portions that your gun has been restocked although the stock work is excellent. My criteria are that the gun appears to have rebounding hammers (they rebound to half #### so that the firing pins do not drag), it is not choked and the forend is not held on with a cross key (barrel wedge). Choke boring was introduced around 1875 and if done would have been noted on the barrel stamps. Rebounding hammers and the change from barrel keys were also introduced by that time.

I have several british guns stamped 13 guage and they all chamber 12 guage shells. The 13 refers to the bore diameter rather than the cartridge. If it was choked, it would be stamped 13 B 15M or something similar and if so would also include "Not for Ball"

cheers mooncoon
 
The PATENT on the mechanism was issued in 1881.

You can get a COPY of it from the Patent Office in London.

Think I'll send for one; it is likely to cost a bit less than the Gun!
 
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