Non Canadian applying for PAL

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I'm not a Canadian citizen as i am still a serving member of the British Army, my wife is Canadian and we have bought a place in Northern Alberta.
With the 'neighbours' informing us of coyotes wolves and bears in the local area i would like some 'protection' as well as have the chance to do some hunting when home.
My wife is diagnosed with depression so she can't apply for the PAL. I have asked a number of people/places and get a mixture of answers.
Can anyone please point me in the correct direction..

Many thanks
 
You apply the same as any Canadian, there are no citizenship or residence rules.
The only difference is, if you are new to Canada, or non-resident, you will need to provide a police background report from your place of residence. You may also be able to provide a report from the MOD if you have been serving a while. Call 1-800-731-4000 and ask for their requirements.

Your first step will be to take the safety course.
 
Yep, you send to your local police force, in my case it was Northumbria. Your local force will send to Scotland yard. If they don't know who you are then your good to go. :D If you inform them that you have lived in any other countries in the last, I think 5 years, then you will need to get clearance from there too.

Its a doddle.
 
"...wife is diagnosed with depression..." That might put an end to your plans.

Why would that put an end to his plans of getting his PAL?

As far as I can see, there is not one single question on the application asking about the mental state of his spouse. There is however a question asking the applicant if the applicant has suffered or been diagnosed or been treated for depression. IMO, it's irrelevant if his wife is suffering from depression as she isn't the one applying for the PAL.

(16.d)
During the past five (5) years, have you threatened or attempted suicide, or have you suffered from or been diagnosed or
treated by a medical practitioner for: depression
; alcohol, drug or substance abuse; behavioural problems; or emotional
problems?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/921-eng.pdf
 
Why would that put an end to his plans of getting his PAL?

As far as I can see, there is not one single question on the application asking about the mental state of his spouse. There is however a question asking the applicant if the applicant has suffered or been diagnosed or been treated for depression. IMO, it's irrelevant if his wife is suffering from depression as she isn't the one applying for the PAL.

(16.d)
During the past five (5) years, have you threatened or attempted suicide, or have you suffered from or been diagnosed or
treated by a medical practitioner for: depression
; alcohol, drug or substance abuse; behavioural problems; or emotional
problems?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/921-eng.pdf

but she may be able to get access to them, assuming she knows where the keys/combo are/is. that's the only reason i assume they ask the question is for *your* safety.

but as you said, they only want to know if the person applying has had the above issues.
 
Depending on your immigration status you may not need the background check. When I applied the background check for my landed immigrant status was enough.
 
I'm not a Canadian citizen as i am still a serving member of the British Army, my wife is Canadian and we have bought a place in Northern Alberta.
With the 'neighbours' informing us of coyotes wolves and bears in the local area i would like some 'protection' as well as have the chance to do some hunting when home.
My wife is diagnosed with depression so she can't apply for the PAL. I have asked a number of people/places and get a mixture of answers.
Can anyone please point me in the correct direction..

Many thanks

#1. If you are a living in Canada you are allowed to apply for a PAL.

#2. Because of your wife's diagnosis, it does not mean that she cannot apply for a PAL. She is a Canadian citizen and it is her right to apply for one if she wishes....regardless of any medical conditions. Furthermore, just because she was diagnosed with depression, it does not mean she will not get a PAL. I actually know 2 people who are taking medication for depression and have PALS (one of them has a restricted PAL).
 
I'm amazed that Non-Canadian citizens can even get a PAL.

Police background check ? What about all the third world immigrants coming to Canada, how in the world would We ever be able to do a background check on them ? They are not known for there Record keeping.
 
I'm amazed that Non-Canadian citizens can even get a PAL.

Police background check ? What about all the third world immigrants coming to Canada, how in the world would We ever be able to do a background check on them ? They are not known for there Record keeping.



You'd probably be amazed that I, as an "non- Canadian" citizen also have a Canadian Driving License then. :rolleyes:

I went through a pretty detailed background check, (which most likely was a much more detailed background check than you'll ever go through in your life time) before I was granted a Permanent Residency status in Canada. It's not like they just handed out the permanent residency permit either. It took one and a half year to process my application before I was granted a Permanent Residency Status!

Do you have any logical reason as to why I, as an Norwegian citizen with a permanent residency permit shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms or are you of the opinion that only" third world immigrants" shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms, simply because they are "third world Immigrants"??
 
Do you have any logical reason as to why I, as an Norwegian citizen with a permanent residency permit shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms or are you of the opinion that only" third world immigrants" shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms, simply because they are "third world Immigrants"??

Don't take it personally. He probably once read Lord of the Flies and believes - deep down in his heart - that only the military, police, and the elite should possess any firearms. :yingyang:
 
#1. If you are a living in Canada you are allowed to apply for a PAL.

actually , you dont have to reside in canada to apply for a PAL.

many hunters from the US takes the course and get a background check can get their PAL.
 
Depression is not an automatic bar to a PAL. The issue is whether any violence was threatened, whether to oneself or others. What she would do is attach a note from her doctor attesting to the fact that he is aware of no violent intentions and the PAL would likely be issued after a suitable period of delay to punish her for having a very common mentai illness.

On the other hand, if she has suicidal ideation whether reported to her doctor or not, there probably shouldn't be any firearms in the house period. I'm sure you realize this.

For more information, see the privacy commissioner's report on these intrusive questions on the PAL application.
 
You'd probably be amazed that I, as an "non- Canadian" citizen also have a Canadian Driving License then. :rolleyes:

I went through a pretty detailed background check, (which most likely was a much more detailed background check than you'll ever go through in your life time) before I was granted a Permanent Residency status in Canada. It's not like they just handed out the permanent residency permit either. It took one and a half year to process my application before I was granted a Permanent Residency Status!

Do you have any logical reason as to why I, as an Norwegian citizen with a permanent residency permit shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms or are you of the opinion that only" third world immigrants" shouldn't be allowed to be in possession of a PAL or firearms, simply because they are "third world Immigrants"??


No where Did I say "third world immigrants shouldn't posses firearms


WoW, one and a half years to be granted permanent residency status, I'm stunned it took so long.:rolleyes: Do you feel you are entitled to live in Canada ?

Yes, and I'm still surprised Non-Canadians can posses a PAL or Rpal even though they are not Canadian Citizens. Permanent residents cannot vote but can posses firearms ?

All I'm saying is how can the RCMP do a detailed background check from someone from a third world country as opposed to someone from United States ? I would think Record keeping from Developing nations are almost non-existent.

No where Did I say "third world immigrants" shouldn't posses firearms. I Believe in Equal rights for all CANADIANS.
 
No where Did I say "third world immigrants shouldn't posses firearms


WoW, one and a half years to be granted permanent residency status, I'm stunned it took so long.:rolleyes: Do you feel you are entitled to live in Canada ?

Yes, and I'm still surprised Non-Canadians can posses a PAL or Rpal even though they are not Canadian Citizens. Permanent residents cannot vote but can posses firearms ?

All I'm saying is how can the RCMP do a detailed background check from someone from a third world country as opposed to someone from United States ? I would think Record keeping from Developing nations are almost non-existent.

No where Did I say "third world immigrants" shouldn't posses firearms.

Entitled to live in Canada??
It has nothing to do with feeling entitled to live in Canada.

Immigration Canada puts anyone who apply for permanent residency through a much more detailed background check than the RCMP will ever do.
If someone from a third world country has been granted a permanent residency permit, it implies that they were screened to a level that exceeds any background check that the RCMP conducts, simply because it has to be determined to the best of Immigration Canada's ability that the applying immigrant does not pose a threat to Canada or it's citizens.

As for the RCMP and the PAL background check goes, the RCMP does not conduct any background checks beyond the Canadian border. If the applicant for the firearm license cannot provide either a letter of good conduct issued by the law enforcement agency in their country of origin or they have not been a permanent resident of Canada for the last 5 years prior to applying for the PAL, then they simply will not fulfill the criteria laid out in the application, which might result in their application being rejected.

Now, refugees from a third world country might be a different story, but then again they would most likely not be able to provide a letter of good conduct issued by a law enforcement agency in their country of origin, or fulfill the 5 year criteria of being a permanent resident permit holder for a minimum of 5 years either, so you don't have to worry about any of them legally obtaining their PAL either.

Assuming that you are a PAL holder, when you applied for your PAL your background check was only going 5 years prior to when you applied. Why should it be any different for a non citizen applying for a PAL?

So, we non Canadian citizens can not vote, but we can legally be firearms owners. Why is that so amazing? Are you under the impression that all immigrants that came here by following the legal guidelines will potentially pose some sort of armed threat to Canada or it's citizens if we are given a PAL and possess firearms ?

EDIT:

Sorry, but since you ninja edited your reply and added this "I Believe in Equal rights for all CANADIANS. while I was typing my reply, I suspect my initial impression of you was correct.

Have a nice day:kickInTheNuts:
 
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Can't imagine barring a non-citizen from owning firearms. But then, I can't imagine barring anyone from owning firearms. The convicted criminal has access to firearms - the licencing and registry have created a healthy black market - and the yet to be convicted criminal can get a licence anyway. How about we stop believing that somehow, magically, licencing has any positive effect on un-social use of firearms.

As for some suggesting that because someone in your home may be suicidal as a reason to not own firearms, well, have we never heard of combination locks?
 
Its wierd how somebody's question on a pal turns into a political debate on immigration.
thats what i thought about some of the reply's. I just thought i would add my two cents:)


anyways

My moms from Wales and she has been here 44 years and still is not a canadian citizen
and she had no problem getting her canadian drivers license she owns a buisness and contributes to the economic growth of this country. so if she decided she wanted to get her Pal she has every right to do so just like all the other landed immigrants,
who contribute to this country, and who like to shoot boom sticks:)


cheers all happy shooting
 
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