Non CRF .375 H&H rifles

Would you buy a non-CRF .375 H&H rifle?

  • Yes, CRF is not important to me

    Votes: 26 36.1%
  • No, CRF in this caliber rifle is a must

    Votes: 24 33.3%
  • Don't care either way

    Votes: 22 30.6%

  • Total voters
    72
rgv said:
Actually, I think 95% of us understand the mechanical issues just fine, thank you.

We just find the probability of short-stroking a PF with hippos in close proximity to be fairly low.


NO I don't think most do or the comments in posts would not be as silly as they are.

Mabey there are no hippo's here but I remember almost short stroking a lever action the first time I used one on a bear.

It Happens.
 
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Republic of Alberta said:
NO I don't think most do or the comments in posts would not be as silly as they are.

Mabey there are no hippo's here but I remember almost short stroking a lever action the first time I used one on a bear.

It Happens.

Learn how to shoot the rifle before you go hunting. If you short stroke it is your fault not the gun you are using.
 
I have had two jams in hunting situations with a Remington push feed. Both times the problem was due to extractor dropping the fired cartridge. I have since had the extractor fixed. I think the biggest advantage of the Mauser style action is the much more positive extraction. So, for this reason I would prefer it for dangerous game.
 
Heck, I've even jammed my HIGHWALLS!!:eek:
Any action can be jammed, trust me, I've done it.
The other side of the coin is that anything can be made to work flawlessly, and this thread is as contaversial as a polar bear or woodchuck defense thread!:ban: :puke:
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crazy_davey said:
Learn how to shoot the rifle before you go hunting. If you short stroke it is your fault not the gun you are using.


That is EXACTY the point of a CRF.

Pf vrs CRF --- One rifle is designed better against #### ups the other is not.

95% don't get it.
 
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I own lots of both kinds of actions, they both have their place. For me, the .375 H&H belongs in a CRF action. It was born there. It belong there.

A .375 in a PF action is like putting a .44-40 in a slick new autoloader--not bad or wrong, just _not right_.
 
Republic of Alberta said:
I remember almost short stroking a lever action the first time I used one on a bear.

Republic of Alberta said:
It Happens.


So maybe what you are trying to say is that you should only have a CRF

Republic of Alberta said:
Pf vrs CRF --- One rifle is designed better against f**k ups the other is not.

see above

Republic of Alberta said:
95% don't get it.

yes, we do. now
 
Republic of Alberta said:
Hey look an internet ass hole

LOL easy there Beavis.

You're the one that decided that 95% of us are making silly posts because we don't understand a fricking bolt gun. Possibly the simplest damn tool short of a claw hammer.

Pot, Kettle, Black.
 
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I do have a rudimentary understanding of the function of CRF and push feed rifles and I still maintain that a properly functioning example of either will work just fine in the field. In truth, the person who would screw up with a push feed would probably find a way to screw up with the crf rifle as well.
I liked the scenario where the shooter partially extracts the case then tries to put it back in. This would be important in those cases where the shooter wants to pull the trigger on it again just to verify the loud noise and recoil was indeed caused by the round going off! If a person experiences this kind of malfunction more than once it's pretty important for the problem to be addressed. The best way is to go to the range with a buddy. The buddy's job is to slap the shooter in the back of the head each time he does something stupid. Like pulling a fired case halfway out then trying to put it back in.
The statement about almost short stroking the lever action was also interesting for a couple of reasons. First; How do you know when you "almost" short stroke something? Second; Did you know that most lever actions are push feeds? The Marlin 336 comes close to being a crf but not really. You shouldn't even be using one of those things.
As I said before; one real advantage to those long claw extractors is that they can be changed easily in the unlikely event of a failure. If your Remington 700 extractor screws up, you're going to need some tools. The newr, non-riveted type are better in this regard but still not that easy. Regards, Bill.
 
I didn't start this thread to start a pis*ing match between the PF and CRF factions.

The 2/3 vote in the poll for PF .375 H&H explains why there are so many PF rifles on the EE.
 
geologist said:
I didn't start this thread to start a pis*ing match between the PF and CRF factions.

You obviously have not been paying attention. Everything around here turns into a pissing match, thats what makes it fun ;) :D
 
Leeper said:
I do have a rudimentary understanding of the function of CRF and push feed rifles and I still maintain that a properly functioning example of either will work just fine in the field. In truth, the person who would screw up with a push feed would probably find a way to screw up with the crf rifle as well.
I liked the scenario where the shooter partially extracts the case then tries to put it back in. This would be important in those cases where the shooter wants to pull the trigger on it again just to verify the loud noise and recoil was indeed caused by the round going off! If a person experiences this kind of malfunction more than once it's pretty important for the problem to be addressed. The best way is to go to the range with a buddy. The buddy's job is to slap the shooter in the back of the head each time he does something stupid. Like pulling a fired case halfway out then trying to put it back in.
The statement about almost short stroking the lever action was also interesting for a couple of reasons. First; How do you know when you "almost" short stroke something? Second; Did you know that most lever actions are push feeds? The Marlin 336 comes close to being a crf but not really. You shouldn't even be using one of those things.
As I said before; one real advantage to those long claw extractors is that they can be changed easily in the unlikely event of a failure. If your Remington 700 extractor screws up, you're going to need some tools. The newr, non-riveted type are better in this regard but still not that easy. Regards, Bill.

Bill I know you know guns. I wasn't suggesting you don't undersand them.

The lever was a Marlin guide gun, if it had been a blr it could have possible jambed up.
By "almost" short stroking it I mean I pulled the lever down most of the way then started to close it. At that point I realized my mistake and opened the lever all the way.



For all you that sit there and think that you are bolt action god's you had better give your head a shake.


The type of guy that has never screwed up and thinks he never will is the type that has shot only 10 animals and thinks he has seen it all. YOu are playing the Internet armchair professional and your inexperience is showing.


Anyone that has shot a lot of game in different circumstances would know that anyone can #### up. Professional hunters that have killed thousands of head of game talk about making mistakes in their careers. Do you really think that you are convincing anyone that a sport hunter with a few kills under his belt is immune to #### ups? I mean really that is laughable.
 
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rgv said:
LOL easy there Beavis.

You're the one that decided that 95% of us are making silly posts because we don't understand a fricking bolt gun. Possibly the simplest damn tool short of a claw hammer.

Pot, Kettle, Black.


Not that people don't understand the guns so much as they don't understand the basis of the argument and mechanics involved (interaction between the person and gun) between the two types of rifles. I misspoke.
 
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Without question the advantage of the Mauser (CRF bolts) is the extractor.
When hunting your rifle could get dirt, dust, ice etc in it and the extractor on something like a Remington M700 might not have the strength to extract that cartridge. Likewise, when hunting in extreme heat, with HP loads that could be tight in the chamber, the Mauser extractor will likely get that case out and other bolts might not.

A minor disadvantage of the CRF is that how ever many cartridges you load in the magazine, that's how many you are hunting with. You cannot top up the mag' with an extra round. But this is a relatively minor issue.

The fact that you can top up the magazine on a PF and cost of production is really the only true advantages of a PF bolt vs a CRF.

I own 3 CRF bolt guns (all Brno's) and 5 PF Remington M700's. I used to wonder about CRF bolts but once I owned the first I believe they are definitely better, although not really necessary for N.A. game.

As far as whether or not one is required in Africa, I still do not believe they are for sport hunters that have a PH behind them. The only rifleman that truly needs a CRF is the man doing elephant/DG control work in Africa. For everybody else it's nice to have.

The PF vs CRF argument is about as close to being decided as the .270 vs .280 debate...
 
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