Non-refurbished SKS observations

I see your point on 1949 (though I don't see a pic with different 1949 fonts). Crude work with stock. But I don't see evidences of fakery, and I don't have evidences it's not fake. Just because I saw so many strange things with refurbished firearm I personally pulled from the crates back in Ukraine. Never say "never" with Soviet refurbs. The fact of mixing of Chinese parts is documented with Soviet refurb M44s. It could be the same case with SKS, or it could be the fake. We simply don't know.
What I don't get is why you think bottom stock is fake on the picture with "1954" and "1945" stocks.
 
Horilka said:
I see your point on 1949 (though I don't see a pic with different 1949 fonts).
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This is pictures of 1949.

Not trying to convince you one way or the other but between ALL Russian Referbs, light Referbs or non-referbs (I've seen) if they have day stamps it's in a same "size" and "font". Izhevsk Different from Tula but same among themselves.



You can't even tell it's 1949 while that stamp is actually 0.5 cm larger ...
 
Talking about stars on SKS. What "K" block SKS you have for sale on EE, what happened to it? If it wasn't for that "addition" it would have been pretty good example. I'm pretty confident it came from same dealer as my 49
 
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Talking about stars on SKS. What "K" block SKS you have for sale on EE, what happened to it? If it wasn't for that "addition" it would have been pretty good example. I'm pretty confident it came from same dealer as my 49
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Yeah, I saw that as well. I was perplexed by the star on the left side of the stock. I have 3 K series, non-refurbished, no star.
 
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Here is the pictures of the rifle that I removed from EE until I clarify this moment with star for myself.
Let's continue here instead of PMs so everyone could benefit.

@mchouvaev
- you said that star disappeared in mid 1955 and only some D series could have star. You also pointed that the star is bigger then normal (19 vs 16-17 mm).
I agree that the star was phased out from the stocks, but Letter series SKSs they were made from partially leftovers, parts previously produced to facilitate service and replacements and probably some newly made parts. That is why we see features from different periods on non-refurbished letter-series and why we see both types of stocks - laminate and hardwood. So I don't see anything strange with it. But I can't comment on the star size as I have no knowledge on this. I just don't think we should call everything we don't understand "humped" right away. We learn something new everyday.

- If you think it's a recent addition - how do you see it's done? One need totally strip finish of the stock, apply star cartouche and varnish stock again. You can't do this only to one area, it would be easy to spot. Do you agree that all other stock cartouches and markings on the stock are crisp and original?

@bp2626
- I don't quite understand your saying "They removed the number from the stock before the receiver cover, mid-1955. When they did this they removed the Tula star as well.".
All non-refurbed (and refurbed) stock have serial numbers.

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Horilka said:
- If you think it's a recent addition - how do you see it's done? One need totally strip finish of the stock, apply star cartouche and varnish stock again. You can't do this only to one area, it would be easy to spot. Do you agree that all other stock cartouches and markings on the stock are crisp and original?

@bp2626
- I don't quite understand your saying "They removed the number from the stock before the receiver cover, mid-1955. When they did this they removed the Tula star as well.".
All non-refurbed (and refurbed) stock have serial numbers.
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Sorry, let me clarify. In the middle of 1955 they stopped putting the star on the stock. At that time they still had the date and star on the receiver cover. Later in 1955 they removed it from the cover as well.

I have seen examples of replacement stock blanks that had all the proper markings (cartouches) and only a serial number but they were on a 1950 rifle for example, clearly a replacement.

All the other markings look correct, yes. However, there could easily have been a number there (1955) that was sanded away or the stamp could have been added out of ignorance. The source that made the fakes was known to touch up the finish. Shellac is very quick and easy. It blends very well, you don't even need to strip the finish.

Looks legitimate in every other way. It could be a refurbished stock from the Ukraine, Russia. It could be humped. You just don't know and you have to err on the side of caution. I hope it's original and just an anomaly as that would make it more valuable! Likely though it is refurbished or humped.
 
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Refurbished stock would have evidences of refurbishing, but this one exhibits all evidences of non-refurbished. The only think that you don't like is the star, because you think it cannot be on the post 1955 rifle. Well, I have one stock that is marked as AVT stock, and is made after 1942 and is thick but... it does not have second cut. I call it curio. I don't think somebody humped back a piece of wood :)

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High resolution photos definitely show no evidence of sanding nor humping. Another incontinency in the Russian manufacturing process :)

Probably should indicate that during sale and include some high resolution photos as it should be worth more to some.

Like I said on GB it was very honourable of you to reach out like this when concerns were raised. Now you've just proved it to be more rare, haha.
 
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