non restricted 10/22 pistol

GrantR said:
Okay ..... if you say so. :confused:


GOOD LUCK! :rolleyes:
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Well there are thousands of pistol grip shotguns out there...and no one has been in trouble as long as the oal rule if observed.....

Do you moonlight as a lawyer or do you rely on that job for your primary income ?
 
GrantR said:
(You'd be well advised to research some of the case law on this ... Perhaps I should mention that I am a lawyer.)
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Perhaps you would like to enlighten us with your own research on the matter.

I would particularly like to find out if you can find a single case of a person being charged with possession of an unregistered restricted firearm, based on the substitution of a pistol grip stock and no other alterations to the firearm.

Common practice and commercial availability within Canada suggest to me that there is not a problem.
 
coltfan said:
A non restricted rifle or shotgun does not change class due to the addition of a pistol grip.....it is still designed to be operated with 2 hands, just by sheer size and balance issues....any lawyer or welder would be able to argue that
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as someone who holds a welding ticket,i take great offence to being compared or affiliated in any way to a lawyer.:mad: :mad: ;)

honestly sir,you should give yourself a good smack to the face and re frame in the future to any such references.:p
 
Nobody is going to claim that a pistol grip shotgun has been converted to a handgun. Why? Because nobody is going to shoot a shotgun with one hand. At least not on a regular basis.

Say though that a 10/22 gets a pistol grip stock like the one pictured. Not a folding stock. And say the same gun gets a light weight barrel that actually balances well enough to be fired from one hand. In my opinion, this has entered the grey area but would still be ok. Say now that somebody is at the range shooting this gun, one handed all day long. If a cfo saw this person shooting one handed all the time, it could be concluded that this gun has been modified into a pistol. I think at that point the cfo could make an argument for the gun being a pistol. It's still a grey area and I don't expect every cfo would do so, but perhaps one would.
 
I like the pistol grip, but how to you plan to shoot it? Like a rifle or a pistol? Just don't get caught and get the rest of us trouble. It's not the law that bothers me, it's worst, the media and the gun control rhetoric.
 
to ton 45 what is this{ don't get caught and get the rest of us in trouble} i have been shooting at the range with
peace officers and yes they have fired my pistol and said it was great and no problems. read my signature line
(VBG)
Laser man
 
Here's a clip of me shooting clay's with my Rem 870 pistol! :D

Candown
 
coltfan said:
No ...you don't have to mention what your profession is.......unless you are specifically a firearms law expert, your opinion is worth no more than any one elses.

A non restricted rifle or shotgun does not change class due to the addition of a pistol grip.....it is still designed to be operated with 2 hands, just by sheer size and balance issues....any lawyer or welder would be able to argue that
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I would not be so quick to discount a lawyer that is also a firearm enthusiast. I would say he has a little more credibility than the armchair lawyers. I have read enough firearm court decisions to claim that common sense is not always the guiding principal used in determining the outcome of a case.

How long does it take to put a shorter barrel on the gun? There is a lot of case law that has stated that if a gun can be converted to a prohibited state in a short period of time then it is a prohibited firearm.

If it were my gun I definitely would not be calling it a pistol. This may be a grey area, one that I would want to stay out of.
 
jbunny said:
to ton 45 what is this{ don't get caught and get the rest of us in trouble} i have been shooting at the range with
peace officers and yes they have fired my pistol and said it was great and no problems. read my signature line
(VBG)
Laser man
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Maybe I'm just paranoid :runaway:
 
MPI said:
Nice shot!:eek: Looks like you are better one handed then two...:D
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It's hard to see in the video but the second clay broke when it launched and I shot the larger fragement, the next clay got hit, then I chased the bigger piece that deflected to the right with the next two shots.

I like shooting clays with this set up and some days I shoot it better then a longer gun.

The pistol grip is a speedfeed "witness protection" bird's head style and is comfortable to shoot one handed with target loads.
 
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Can-down said:
Here's a clip of me shooting clay's with my Rem 870 pistol! :D

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/Candown/?action=view&current=Clays.flv
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that's why I returned it to Cn Tire. It ise to break all the clays before throwing them.


Grant R. I #### lawyers (I guess just as much as coltfan) but you sir being a <<gun lover>> didn't make it on that list, (with a few others).... so I guess I disike what some representants of your proffesion stand for, not really the ppl. HOWEVER, your opinion regarding the matter is more than seriously considered.

we are so ####less scared of what it might happen to us if we walk on the edge of legality, we confuse the letter and the spirit of the law with whatever someone estabelished as precedent. I would believe that the onus is on the government to encroach such parameters in their appendix-es, but instead they leave it at the indulgence of some court.... I despise when judges are allowed to make laws instead of applying them, but hey.... who am I to know?
 
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