Non restricted AR options in Canada?

DILLIGAF said:
A modern firearm should be held by a lock washer. Just sayin'! even norinco and bcl doesn't do that. lol
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It is not held together with a bolt and a lock washer. The upper and lower interface is the tongue and groove system that I mentioned; they actually lock together extremely solid. The only purpose of the bolt is to prevent the upper and lower from sliding.

You obviously don't own one, and are just trying to sh!t talk something you know nothing about. Just stop, man. How is bashing a new, innovative NR product in Canada productive, or beneficial to anyone?
 
I have had my SLR out for a few range sessions now and it is doing great. Metal mags are very tight but seems to be loosening up. Holds moa with factory ammo so happy with accuracy.

With that said I am waiting for the MS too.
 
I personally love that multiple companies in Canada are making non restricted sporting rifles in Canada. With ATRS, BCL, Kodiac,RWA and Maccabee making non restricted rifles you can pretty much pick your flavor. It's a great time to be a gunnut in Canada.
 
Scotty454 said:
It is not held together with a bolt and a lock washer. The upper and lower interface is the tongue and groove system that I mentioned; they actually lock together extremely solid. The only purpose of the bolt is to prevent the upper and lower from sliding.
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Nothing like contradicting yourself eh



FYI: yes I own an SLR. And yes it's held together by a bolt.
 
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CRBurton said:
I personally love that multiple companies in Canada are making non restricted sporting rifles in Canada. With ATRS, BCL, Kodiac,RWA and Maccabee making non restricted rifles you can pretty much pick your flavor. It's a great time to be a gunnut in Canada.
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I agree!

What took them so long!! :)
 
Pins are nice but the bolt on the SLR doesn't concern me at all. It takes a minute to separate the upper from the lower instead of a couple of seconds with an AR15, but that's not really a big deal.

I will probably try an ATRS version as well, but it will be a long time before a complete set becomes available, and I'm shooting my SLR right now.:dancingbanana:
 
DILLIGAF said:
MVs is the only real NR AR available. The rest are nowhere close to AR specs and are held together with bolts that fall out...lol...

Buy once cry once.
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This is not true.

There is the Troy PAR, Stag 10, SLR, BCL 102, Modern Hunter, Modern Varmint and the Modern Sporter.

All are very fine rifles.
 
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Scotty454 said:
Good thing basic mechanical knowledge isn't a prerequisite of owning the rifle eh
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Since it's not the bolt that holds the SLR together (your words) why don't you try shooting without it and let me know how well things hold together :popCorn:

EDIT: nevermind, I really don't want Mr. Mechanical Knowledge to hurt himself.
 
Sqr said:
This is not true.

There is the Troy PAR, Stag 10, SLR, BCL 102, Modern Hunter, Modern Varmint and the Modern Sporter.

All are very fine rifles.
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The closest thing to a NR AR15 like platform is the MS hands down. I dont see how the PAR would even make the list of a NR AR15, The MV has lots of Proprietary parts due to its design, The SLR would be the 2nd closest but at the price point they sell them you might as well get the MV and skip having to mess around fitting Geissele triggers into the trigger box and dealing with parts that may or may not fit.

for AR10s the Stag 10 is the way to go, everything fits and there is no proprietary parts. The BCL102 Gen 1 stripped set was cool and had zero issues with mine except for the cheaper finish. But now the new BCL stuff as seen on their webpage is filled with proprietary parts so you cant even change things on your rifle to fit your needs. But it does seem QC was stepped up big time ! I might be wrong so Im actually looking forward to handling one to see how these handguards are mounted.

I hope this is a better explanation on what I see in the NR AR world. To me a AR15/AR10 is a lego set you can customize how you see fit. Yes the MV is a fine piece of kit, Ive shot them and they are super nice but never bought one because it didnt fit the NR AR role i was looking for, And I dont think I was the only one seeing how many guys ordered up the MS even before we had a FRT! I built 3 BCL102 and I had to do lots of fitting and lots of testing to get them to work properly, witch is unfortunate as I really wanted to give NEA a 2nd chance.
 
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DILLIGAF said:
The closest thing to a NR AR15 like platform is the MS hands down. I dont see how the PAR would even make the list of a NR AR15, The MV has lots of Proprietary parts due to its design, The SLR would be the 2nd closest but at the price point they sell them you might as well get the MV and skip having to mess around fitting Geissele triggers into the trigger box and dealing with parts that may or may not fit.

for AR10s the Stag 10 is the way to go, everything fits and there is no proprietary parts. The BCL102 Gen 1 stripped set was cool and had zero issues with mine except for the cheaper finish. But now the new BCL stuff as seen on their webpage is filled with proprietary parts so you cant even change things on your rifle to fit your needs. But it does seem QC was stepped up big time ! I might be wrong so Im actually looking forward to handling one to see how these handguards are mounted.

I hope this is a better explanation on what I see in the NR AR world. To me a AR15/AR10 is a lego set you can customize how you see fit. Yes the MV is a fine piece of kit, Ive shot them and they are super nice but never bought one because it didnt fit the NR AR role i was looking for, And I dont think I was the only one seeing how many guys ordered up the MS even before we had a FRT! I built 3 BCL102 and I had to do lots of fitting and lots of testing to get them to work properly, witch is unfortunate as I really wanted to give NEA a 2nd chance.
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The aTroy PAR has the exact ergonomics of an AR along with every piece is interchangeable sans the gas system. Plus you can have a 14.5" barrel and it remains NR. The gas guns cannot.

By the way the thread started by the OP asked about "ARs" and really the STAG is the closest thing as it's classed as an AR in the US.
 
I can honestly say that my BCL102 is a reliable gun, it has never missed a step, I from the beginning replaced the pieces that I knew people were having problems with ( I would have replaced them anyway, which I have done in every AR I have ). The rifle is a beautiful to shoot, little recoil and is accurate as hell
 
Sqr said:
The aTroy PAR has the exact ergonomics of an AR along with every piece is interchangeable sans the gas system.
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Yup im aware of that. And it sucks that manufactures have to build these weird rifles to circumvent stupid laws.
 
I'm actually looking forward to playing with the Badger. The proprietary rail doesnt bother me at all. I think the benefits could potentially outweigh the lack of modularity on this one.

As for the other additions.....I'm at a bit of a loss. They look amazing. But I guess we wont know till they get here.
 
Few rifles that are AR like in term of ergonomics missing from the list:
Robinson Arms XCR-L
Bushmaster ACR (in NR barrel length)
B&T APC223

XCR is actually the one with best ergonomic by far, decent trigger too. But too bad mine was only mediocre in accuracy department, and aftermarket barrel isn't really an option.

ACR is way too heavy and the trigger sucks. Not my cup of tea.

I have no experience with APC223, but given the price, I wonder if it's really twice to 4 times better than the other options.
 
diegocn said:
Few rifles that are AR like in term of ergonomics missing from the list:
Robinson Arms XCR-L
Bushmaster ACR (in NR barrel length)
B&T APC223

XCR is actually the one with best ergonomic by far, decent trigger too. But too bad mine was only mediocre in accuracy department, and aftermarket barrel isn't really an option.

ACR is way too heavy and the trigger sucks. Not my cup of tea.

I have no experience with APC223, but given the price, I wonder if it's really twice to 4 times better than the other options.
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I have had experience with all 3, sold my XCR-L keymod as soon as I got my ACR. Its ergos are better, as well as its customization which allows it to be a far better rifle in the end. But I do agree, if you compare a bone stock DMR model, 10lbs dry is WAY to heavy.

The apc is just meh to me. I own one, but don't care for it a whole lot, strange givens the price. Haha. Its kinda supposed to be a modern swiss rifle but like its older cousin the 550, the barrel isn't free floated and the thing is pretty heavy with VERY limited aftermarket. As a result B&T make their own stock options etc which cost $800+ea due to the incorporation of the hydraulic buffer into the stock. Dont get me wrong, its a nice rifle if you are a collector, but I wouldn't get one as your main rifle!
 
All those zillions of threads of excitement about ATRS MS, and really hard to find a summary info. Do I understand correctly that both upper and lower are proprietary and standard upper is no-go for ATRS MS lower? So if I want ATRS MS in two calibers I'll have to buy two MS uppers ($485 to $625 each)? XCR-L doesn't look that expensive now, after some basic calculations for MS.
Is there a break down on what AR parts will fit and what won't?
 
Horilka said:
All those zillions of threads of excitement about ATRS MS, and really hard to find a summary info. Do I understand correctly that both upper and lower are proprietary and standard upper is no-go for ATRS MS lower? So if I want ATRS MS in two calibers I'll have to buy two MS uppers ($485 to $625 each)? XCR-L doesn't look that expensive now, after some basic calculations for MS.
Is there a break down on what AR parts will fit and what won't?
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The reason they're non restricted is the proprietary receiver set. From an ergonomic standpoint they will be an almost identical replica of an AR-15, which is why people want them. There isn't a definitive list of which parts will and won't fit yet, as the uppers are still in production.

I think ATRS has a thread on parts that they've tried so far.
 
To be honest these Canadian non AR 15 things are complete trash and manufacturers are getting away with selling low quality firearms because we are eager to buy non restricted black rifles.
 
Victor Simon said:
To be honest these Canadian non AR 15 things are complete trash and manufacturers are getting away with selling low quality firearms because we are eager to buy non restricted black rifles.
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