Non restricted designated marksman semi-automatic rifles?

I agree with you twyeh, if there were no regulations the SR25 would be the obvious choice. However, for me, where I live (Toronto) a restricted rifle may as well be a paper weight, so I need a non restricted rifle, or I will simply never be able to fire it or use it for anything other than bragging rights--not what I want.

Anyway, you guys have given me some good info. I've narrowed it down in my mind to two contenders now, an M14 modified EBR style or else a SA classic with some optics. I will try and dig out whether the SA DMR's are deployed with select fire disabled.

One question about the Swiss Arms:

People keep calling it a 550, but the SA Classic is actually based on a 540, right? And the 550 is an upgraded 541. This I have been able to glean from reading the SA sticky and some other google seaching.

Anyone know, practically speaking, what the differences are between the 540 and 541/550?
 
However, for me, where I live (Toronto) a restricted rifle may as well be a paper weight, so I need a non restricted rifle, or I will simply never be able to fire it or use it for anything other than bragging rights--not what I want.
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This makes no sense whatsoever. You can't get to a range to fire a restricted rifle, but you can get to where you can shoot a non-restricted?
 
Xiao Xiong said:
I agree with you twyeh, if there were no regulations the SR25 would be the obvious choice. However, for me, where I live (Toronto) a restricted rifle may as well be a paper weight, so I need a non restricted rifle, or I will simply never be able to fire it or use it for anything other than bragging rights--not what I want.

Anyway, you guys have given me some good info. I've narrowed it down in my mind to two contenders now, an M14 modified EBR style or else a SA classic with some optics. I will try and dig out whether the SA DMR's are deployed with select fire disabled.

One question about the Swiss Arms:

People keep calling it a 550, but the SA Classic is actually based on a 540, right? And the 550 is an upgraded 541. This I have been able to glean from reading the SA sticky and some other google seaching.

Anyone know, practically speaking, what the differences are between the 540 and 541/550?
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so you want a NR just so that you can carry it carte-blanche in Toronto for its intended purpose? seriously? you think you're going to walk around with an M14 in Toronto?

common sense rules.
 
nza said:
so you want a NR just so that you can carry it carte-blanche in Toronto for its intended purpose? seriously? you think you're going to walk around with an M14 in Toronto?
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No. The ranges near the city are too small for center fire, most only allow handgun and rimfire. If you drive a couple hours out of the city you can find lots of great outdoors places to shoot a non restricted, but for a restricted centerfire rifle there are very few choices, it's really, really inconvenient to find anywhere to shoot it.

To be fair I've never tried to find anywhere to fire a restricted rifle in Toronto, but on the little bit of searching I did... looks difficult.
 
Stevo said:
If convenience is your biggest criteria, authenticity shouldn't be that important.
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If it turned out that it was impossible to find a non restricted gun that is authentic, yes, I would give up on authentic before I gave up on non restricted. There's really no point for me to buy a restricted rifle. Handgun sure, but not a rifle. I would hardly ever get to fire it.

So far though it does seem I have at least two viable choices!
 
I am honestly leaning towards the swiss now. I like that it is actually made by the manufacturer, and not a chinese knockoff. I would just like to understand some more about what the differences are between the 540 that the classic is based on, and the 541/550 that is in actual use by the swiss army. What did they change between 540 and 541/550?

Then I will look into what mods are needed to turn a classic into a DMR. Accurized barrel? Same stock? Or just optics?
 
Xiao Xiong said:
Really! That's worth a look then. Where can I find out more about this SAPR? Any idea if it would be non restricted? Price?
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100+ post thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502448

One has been at the RCMP for classification for several months. The barrel is long enough to be non-restricted and the .223 little brother is non-restricted but we'll just have to wait and see. I guess the price will be around $6000. I'm on the waiting list for one at TSE.
 
Xiao Xiong said:
What did they change between 540 and 541/550?
Then I will look into what mods are needed to turn a classic into a DMR. Accurized barrel? Same stock? Or just optics?
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As far as I know, In our Canadian versions the receiver will not accept FA parts or the FA bolt carrier. The trigger group/lower is slightly different as well.
Dont try to make sense of the gun laws :bangHead:your brain will melt.
Externally they look identical except for the switch.

All you need is the mount and optic for it, that's it.
 
scottm said:
100+ post thread here:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502448

One has been at the RCMP for classification for several months. The barrel is long enough to be non-restricted and the .223 little brother is non-restricted but we'll just have to wait and see. I guess the price will be around $6000. I'm on the waiting list for one at TSE.
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Thanks. If that is non-restricted I am going to struggle with myself mightily to avoid spending $6000!

You say the little brother is non, you mean the classic green? I thought that one was based on the 540 though (hard to find this out but it seems to be) and thus allowed, whereas this appears to be the 750/751, which is a derivative of the 550. The 550 and its derivatives are prescribed as prohibited. On the other hand it's a long barrel semi it really makes sense that it should be non-restricted, but sadly so is the SR25 and it's not.

Guess like everyone says the law makes no sense and we will just have to see which way the dice roll.
 
...unless you have a .308 factory in your house, those .30 cal guns are going to lose their attraction after a few hundred rounds on semi.

Stick with the 223 cals. ammo can still be had relatively cheap. Or go comm-bloc. I'm sure there's all sorts of VZ, CZ variants that are being used by former red countries.

I wish I could take one of these home with me:
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(Yes, I did, ask if the guy on the right knew who Danny Glover was. He had no idea.)

sigh...
 
Xiao Xiong said:
I agree with you twyeh, if there were no regulations the SR25 would be the obvious choice. However, for me, where I live (Toronto) a restricted rifle may as well be a paper weight, so I need a non restricted rifle, or I will simply never be able to fire it or use it for anything other than bragging rights--not what I want.

Anyway, you guys have given me some good info. I've narrowed it down in my mind to two contenders now, an M14 modified EBR style or else a SA classic with some optics. I will try and dig out whether the SA DMR's are deployed with select fire disabled.

One question about the Swiss Arms:

People keep calling it a 550, but the SA Classic is actually based on a 540, right? And the 550 is an upgraded 541. This I have been able to glean from reading the SA sticky and some other google seaching.

Anyone know, practically speaking, what the differences are between the 540 and 541/550?
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Dude, it sounds more like you just DON'T have a restricted license then anything else.
 
I may be wrong.. but aren't a lot of the military gun designed as semi-auto and then into select-fire for the army. I'm pretty sure this is the case for the AR15/M16, maybe for the M14 too.

I'm interested to see what meets your criteria.
Barret .50 cal? :D
 
Davy Crockett said:
Good grief. What a bunch of poser bs.

Just buy a fukcing gun and go shoot it.
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Laugh2

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

I was thinking that the whole time I was reading this thread.


As far as the Non restricted, and nowhere to fire a restricted BS is concerned, there are several ranges within an hr of Toronto that will allow you to fire at least a .223, like the grange, and Burlington, Silverdale, Oshawa, will all let you go nuts with any other calibre you like.

I am curious to know where you plan on shooting the non restricteds, unless you know the owner of some farm land, but in Southern Ontario in most areas, there is a calibre restriction in place anyways.
 
clickclickboom said:
I may be wrong.. but aren't a lot of the military gun designed as semi-auto and then into select-fire for the army. I'm pretty sure this is the case for the AR15/M16, maybe for the M14 too.

I'm interested to see what meets your criteria.
Barret .50 cal? :D
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Haha I don't think I want a .50 cal :) but yes that's exactly the kind of thing I'm interested in, if it were a caliber I might actually shoot. It fits what I'm looking for, just not practical and well out of my price range.

There are a lot of guns based on AR15/M16 that would meet my criteria, like SR-25, if they were non restricted, but all AR15/M16 derivatives are restricted. I know there are look-alikes, but I'm more interested in the M-14 and Swiss Arms examples because they are either functionally the same, minus the auto.
 
Davy Crockett said:
Just buy a fukcing gun and go shoot it.
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You know, if I just wanted to buy a gun and go and shoot it, there are lots of vanilla guns out there. I would probably just buy a Ruger mini. It would do anything I actually need a gun to do. Cheap. Practical. Maybe not the worlds most accurate gun, but good enough.

I don't think people buy "Black and Green Rifles" because they just want a gun to shoot. I think if you are buying a "Black and Green" it is because you are interested in the idea of military guns. You're not just looking for something to shoot, you're looking for something more than that.

Otherwise why not just buy a Ruger mini or a bolt action or whatever.

I fully respect that some people just want to own a gun that looks kind of like a military gun. That's the idea they are chasing, and it's a great idea.

The idea I'm chasing is that I want to own a gun that is EXACTLY the same thing as the military gun. Since I cannot have exactly the same thing in an auto, I am trying to buy the only thing I can buy: Exactly the same thing in a semi.

Or at least, as near to exactly the same as I can make it.

I don't know why you guys have so much trouble understanding what I am trying to achieve here. And yes I'm a bit new to all of this, I have never owned a military style gun before, and never owned a restricted either.

I freely admit to being on a learning curve, but I do know what I want and why, and this thread HAS helped me narrow down two good candidates:

-- Modify an M14/M1A to be EBR-like

-- Put optics on the Swiss Arms

And well then there's the .50 cal too, but, um, I'm leaning towards one of the above two, unless anyone can suggest others to consider.
 
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