Non-restricted firearms registration for Quebec customer

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sewktbk said:
If you remember the whole Wyatt/Ontario backdoor registry situation, Vic Toews made it ILLEGAL to register/record any information pertaining to all transactions of non-restricted firearms. This is precisely why Wyatt had no choice but to back down.

The Quebec injunction tried to still make it legal/require for Quebecers to register their long guns, however even if that had been successful, in no way was it binding for dealers in other provinces.

So in essence, if Marstar did in fact record information of a NR transaction and called it in to the CFC like the OP is claiming, and I can't see why he would be inventing this, they were straight up breaking the law. I'd certainly like to hear their official answer as well, but with the amount of info on CGN about C-19 and the official letters that went out to dealers from the Public Safety Minister after Wyatt's powertrip, it would be very hard to make the case that they didn't know anything about it.
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Also, the puppet strings from the McGuintys office were being jerked so often that they were cutting into Wyatts wrists and ankles. :rolleyes:
 
Again a big story for nothing. Just call the RCMP Canadian Firearms Center and ask. If you still doupt, call the Sûreté du Québec.
You can even reach them by email: permis@surete.qc.ca
Some dealer let you register the gun.
Other do it for you. Just ask when you buy- so it is clear.
 
Why single Marstar out just because they might have been caught under the covers on this one occasion with THE MAN?
Throughout the 40 year fight starting from PETs bill c-51 to c-19 to today most of the dealers experienced all of the gain and very little of the pain.
If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same.
There are no heroes in this story.
 
GUNOHOLIC;
"If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same."

I just wish that people would learn ALL the facts before jumping in with their expert opinions....
John
 
johnone said:
GUNOHOLIC;
"If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same."

I just wish that people would learn ALL the facts before jumping in with their expert opinions....
John
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Could you please answer my original question ?

Thanks.

edit: if you think we don't know all the fact, please don't brag about you being more knowledgeable than us, but EDUCATE us. We'll all be grateful.
 
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johnone said:
GUNOHOLIC;
"If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same."

I just wish that people would learn ALL the facts before jumping in with their expert opinions....
John
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Hi John,

lets go with the facts we know.

The OP stated that the NR gun registration took place at your store after december 2012.

At that time, we (iinculding dealers) knew the following :

- it was illegal in Canada to keep record of any NR firearm transaction. We know this in part because of the whole Wyatt fiasco, and all dealers also knew this because they were sent letters specifying that.

- A provincial injunction in Quebec was in effect to try to force Quebecers to still register their long guns and circumvent that law.

- Following that injunction and since record keeping of these transactions were illegal in all other provinces, the RCMP released a letter stating that the onus was on Qc residents to register their guns. The injunction, being provincial, had no effect on other provinces.

These are facts we know.
If other facts are unknown to the gun community that either refute the OPs claim or justify your actions, it would be in everyone's interest to be made aware of them.

No one is trying to bash you, we just want to understand whats going on.
 
As someone new to dealing with the various players in the Canadian marketplace (and therefore forming my initial opinions of those dealers) I am very interested in this discussion.

I would also like to see the official policy regarding this and a comment if these allegations are legitimate. Furthermore, if there are other policies regarding record keeping for other provinces, I'd like a comment on those as well.
 
Okay....hope you don't mind if I take this down another road.
If it is illegal for a gun seller to keep a transaction record of a NR gun sale...how is one to deal with a warranty issue.
Most warranties require proof of purchase to obtain the warranty.
If one is given a computer generated 'sales receipt', it's a given that info is then in that dealers computer.
Something I've always wondered about.
 
johnone said:
GUNOHOLIC;
"If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same."

I just wish that people would learn ALL the facts before jumping in with their expert opinions....
John
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Beyond all the other stuff this is enough to not deal with Marstar... No response to the op's legit question in 3 pages of posts then finally posts and belittles a forum poster. Real classy way of handling the situation.
 
sewktbk said:
Hi John,

lets go with the facts we know.

The OP stated that the NR gun registration took place at your store after december 2012.

At that time, we (iinculding dealers) knew the following :

- it was illegal in Canada to keep record of any NR firearm transaction. We know this in part because of the whole Wyatt fiasco, and all dealers also knew this because they were sent letters specifying that.

- A provincial injunction in Quebec was in effect to try to force Quebecers to still register their long guns and circumvent that law.

- Following that injunction and since record keeping of these transactions were illegal in all other provinces, the RCMP released a letter stating that the onus was on Qc residents to register their guns. The injunction, being provincial, had no effect on other provinces.

These are facts we know.
If other facts are unknown to the gun community that either refute the OPs claim or justify your actions, it would be in everyone's interest to be made aware of them.

No one is trying to bash you, we just want to understand whats going on.
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Incorrect. The CFO could not make the keeping of such records a condition of the Business firearms license. The business may keep whatever records it wants. Although the onus was on QC residents to register the firearms, there was nothing in law forbidding a business from doing it for them.

I'm not defending any actions Marstar may or may not have undertaken, but merely correcting your "facts".
 
johnone said:
GUNOHOLIC;
"If Marstar is being bashed for being overly eager to collaborate with Big Brother there are many others who did the very same."

I just wish that people would learn ALL the facts before jumping in with their expert opinions....
John
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John just answer the Question, your evasive manner is showing You in a less than desirable Light, much like Pierre Elliot Turdo did!:puke:
Answer the Question!!
 
If it was their normal business activity to register the firearm before shipping then that is what they should have done. Just because a pen stroke one day by a "body" somewhere which does not do any real work now says something different doesn't mean the whole world changes. If people are concerned about non restricted registration certificates, just rip them up and throw them away like the rest of us did. People are always willing to "stand up" to the powers that be when someone else is standing in front shielding them. We will all be standing on our own, when Pierre's son is our next PM. Let's see how many have the backbone then. I see a mass firearms handing over party in most of the CGNer's future.
 
x0ra said:
Hi,

edit: This question is directed to `johnone' only for an official answer. Please avoid any other comments.

edit2: Precise that the question concerns Marstar in general, and not `johnone' "only".
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Bringing this here could only generate a s***load of comments, nothing less.
This thread has nearly 40 replies in less than 24 hours, tagged!

Sorry i will break your request to avoid any other comments; as a fellow Quebequer i 100% fully understand your issue here.
Myself i buy from other provinces instead of mine in case i should buy a firearm, and if should i buy one, i would be pissed if an out of province dealer would do this.
 
MartyK2500 said:
Bringing this here could only generate a s***load of comments, nothing less.
This thread has nearly 40 replies in less than 24 hours, tagged!
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All this fuss could be avoided if John either finally decide to answer the question, or if he locks this thread, or if he censors it.
 
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