I've wanted a black rifle to play with for a while now. However, I don't want anything restricted (for various reasons). I'd also like it chambered in .308 in case I decide to hunt something with it someday. I know of the AR180B by armalite, but I haven't heard anything good and really can't stand how ugly they are. If any, what are my other options? Thanks for your time.
Non-Restricted in .308
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Get a Springfield M1A or a Norinco M-305 if you want to pay less. The Norc is a good package deal for $400.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1a-stan.shtml
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/M-14S.shtm
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-m1a-stan.shtml
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/M-14S.shtm
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Well, the AR180B is not chambered in .308 but in .223 so it's probably not for you! The AR type rifle in .308 is the AR18 and it is restricted...
The only non-restricted military looking semi-auto rifle availlable today is the M14 by Norinco or the M1A by Springfield Armory. It's the same rifle in fact! The Norinco will cost you 450$ delivered from Marstar while an M1A will cost you around 2000$. Nobody I know was displeased with the Norinco.
The only non-restricted military looking semi-auto rifle availlable today is the M14 by Norinco or the M1A by Springfield Armory. It's the same rifle in fact! The Norinco will cost you 450$ delivered from Marstar while an M1A will cost you around 2000$. Nobody I know was displeased with the Norinco.
I personnaly shoot a Springfield Armory Super Match service rifle and I can tell that the standard Springfield Armory M1A is top shelf comparing to the soft wooden, badly fitted parts, loose rear sight, double firing on soft factory ammunition primers, bad trigger, brittle receivers Norinco M-305 rifle, period. I do not say that I would never get one but I have to tell that we always get what we paid for.
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Including upgrades my Chinese m-14s cost well under $1000, shoots about 1 MOA (with iron sights) and has no cheap cast parts.
From what I've seen Springfield rifles have a better fit and finish but are built using cheap cast parts and will give only so-so accuracy unless you spend $ tuning it or shell out intially for a match rifle.
Value for money the Chinese rifles are an obvious choice as long as you accept the fact they were built using slave labour.
From what I've seen Springfield rifles have a better fit and finish but are built using cheap cast parts and will give only so-so accuracy unless you spend $ tuning it or shell out intially for a match rifle.
Value for money the Chinese rifles are an obvious choice as long as you accept the fact they were built using slave labour.
I'm quite picky about aesthetics unfortunately. How much would it cost and how would I go about modifying a norinco to be as pretty as the springfield? I would want the black synthetic stock and everything to fit nicely.
Additionally, are there still any headspace problems with the new ones at all? Am I taking a chance that .308 will cause a catastrophic failure in an m-305? Sorry, I just asked a whole bunch of questions at once.
Additionally, are there still any headspace problems with the new ones at all? Am I taking a chance that .308 will cause a catastrophic failure in an m-305? Sorry, I just asked a whole bunch of questions at once.
OH let the flames begin
I have a soft wooden, badly fitted parts, loose rear sight, double firing on soft factory ammunition primers, bad trigger, brittle receivers Norinco M-305.
It is a fabulous rifle. Accurate to 1 minute of angle and reliable.
You will not be disappointed.
I have a soft wooden, badly fitted parts, loose rear sight, double firing on soft factory ammunition primers, bad trigger, brittle receivers Norinco M-305.
It is a fabulous rifle. Accurate to 1 minute of angle and reliable.
You will not be disappointed.
8ball said:
Sour grapes?
Last time I checked my norc m14s is a forged reciever compared to the cast springfield.
Here's a quote directly from the fulton armory on norinco receivers
I'm not saying that the norc's on par with the sprinfield M1A, that's stupid. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with the M14S and for some, like me, it's more enjoyable to build up a rifle then just pull it out of the box and go.
CZ 858-2 is a 7.62x39mm. Fun rifle and dirt cheap to shoot with surplus.
Springfield and Norinco M1A's are your options for what you described. In your post you mentioned "play" so I'm guessing cost going to be a factor.
DarkInternational has some Norinco M305 which are chicom ripoffs of the Springfield M1A. Its a better deal than Marstar I think because of extra goodies (mags, strap) and Roger seems like a good guy over the phone. I bought one over the phone - havent recieved it yet but Roger was great with every request that I had. Great customer service so far.
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Springfield and Norinco M1A's are your options for what you described. In your post you mentioned "play" so I'm guessing cost going to be a factor.
DarkInternational has some Norinco M305 which are chicom ripoffs of the Springfield M1A. Its a better deal than Marstar I think because of extra goodies (mags, strap) and Roger seems like a good guy over the phone. I bought one over the phone - havent recieved it yet but Roger was great with every request that I had. Great customer service so far.
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Fulton Armory testing Springfield receivers... hmmm! I could personnaly make a load to blow-up anything on the market? Nothing over 168gr. should be used in any of the M14 family anyway. It is better for me to get a rifle made by a real riflemaker than the one made by one individual from here and there parts. Come on guys, Ruger wheelguns are cast as engine blocks and they are not subject to break.
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Or you could build your own. Remington 7600 Police .308 and it is non restricted. It's not quite finished but it is getting there.
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Still waiting for new optics, flash hider and tapered front rail with vertical grip
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Still waiting for new optics, flash hider and tapered front rail with vertical grip
8ball said:
Like I said I'm not knocking the springfield I'm just showing that the chinese rifles aren't so bad for someone who doesn't have the bank roll for a M1A. I hate when people bash the norcs. It's elitist. Of course a M1A is going to out perform a M14S. I would ask for my money back if it didn't. Is the M14S a paperweight? NO.
Think of it this way. If you walk into a ford dealership and see two mustangs in the show room. One is a base model V6 with crappy rims, quiet exhaust, soft suspension, and cloth seats. The other is a Cobra with a supercharged V8, 17" chrome rims, dual exhaust, lowered suspension, and recaro racing seats. Is the Cobra going to walk all over the base model? Hell yeah. Will the base model get you from point A to point B? Sure will. Can you turn the base model into a street lethal drag machine that will stomp the cobra into the ground? Yes but it will cost you time and money.
Okay I will admit that the norc has a piece of junk stock, there were lots of places where the metal had been ground a little to fit and were rough, the trigger isn't exactly match grade, and it will double on soft primers.
But it is still part of my collection and I doubt I'll give it up.
