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Concerning some previous discussions about advertised USA barrel lengths in regards to how the RCMP makes us measure barrel lengths, I measured my Noveske SPR 18 inch barrel when installed in one of my AR15s from bolt closed face to crown by inserting a rod in the barrel on a closed bolt and it is exactly 471mm (18.55 inches)

Af for my eventual (hopefully) SLR build its a perfect fit for me.


Edit: Nope I was wrong its actually 460mm
 
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Same thing with Remington shotguns. They say it's a 18" barrel and in fact it's 18.5" with the RCMP method of measuring.
 
I just emailed Ballistic Advantage to see if theirs measure out like that as well. Might open up the Canadian Non-restricted market to 18" barrels.
 
CHEMMY said:
I just emailed Ballistic Advantage to see if theirs measure out like that as well. Might open up the Canadian Non-restricted market to 18" barrels.
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Although my method of measurement is not scientific It's accurate enough to tell me it's a no go.

I just measured the Ballistic Advantage 18" SPR contour barrel on my Troy Par. Inserted wire until it bottomed out on bolt face then put tape on wire at muzzle to mark for measurement.

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Came to 18.125". So the BA barrel is EXACTLY the 18" it is advertised as. Add the standard .125" bolt face depth and it works out to exactly what I got for a measurement.

I'd say Mike just got lucky with the Noveske actually being a little longer than their advertised 18".
 
jiffx2781 said:
Although my method of measurement is not scientific It's accurate enough to tell me it's a no go.

I just measured the Ballistic Advantage 18" SPR contour barrel on my Troy Par. Inserted wire until it bottomed out on bolt face then put tape on wire at muzzle to mark for measurement.

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Came to 18.125". So the BA barrel is EXACTLY the 18" it is advertised as. Add the standard .125" bolt face depth and it works out to exactly what I got for a measurement.

I'd say Mike just got lucky with the Noveske actually being a little longer than their advertised 18".
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Unlucky

Pretty ridiculous when you think about it, in the heads of our enlightened overlords that extra 1/2" somehow magically changes that piece of metal from a deranged killing machine that must be demonized at every opportunity (restricted) to a mere hunting rifle or whatever other romantic idea people have of such guns along with the relaxation in the laws that go with such a classification (non restricted)

It somehow conjures up this image that no law abiding person would EVER want or need a gun thats less than 18.5" and criminals always choose guns that are under 18" so these measures will stop them in their tracks. Crazy thing is criminals by definition don't mind breaking a few laws so most likely won't be licensed in the first place (or if they have priors they may even prohibit them from owning firearms) and most certainly won't care about breaking an extra (dumb) law like this. Like I said, pretty ridiculous......

Anyways, rant over.
 
I`m in the market for an Armalite M15 18" 3 gun version or an 18" DD V7 Pro - does anyone know if the barrels on either of these are exactly 18" or are long enough to turn into an NR should the need ever arise?

My guess is probably not but if one was it would pretty much seal the deal for me
 
I know in the states the minimum length for anything not to be considered an "SBR" (and all the expensive bureaucratic BS that goes with it) is 16" but one way to get rifles that are close over the threshold is to have a pinned & welded brake fitted (like the 13.5" Armalite M15 3 gun rifle which is technically a 16" after this is carried out)

If this was allowed in Canada it would be a game changer, probably won't be though as its much too sensible
 
Sniffer said:
I`m in the market for an Armalite M15 18" 3 gun version or an 18" DD V7 Pro - does anyone know if the barrels on either of these are exactly 18" or are long enough to turn into an NR should the need ever arise?

My guess is probably not but if one was it would pretty much seal the deal for me
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I just measured my DD 18S2W barrel and it is 18 3/8" to bolt face, so deduct about 1/4". Too bad 'cause I too was hoping it would have been 18.5". Ah well
 
Sniffer said:
I know in the states the minimum length for anything not to be considered an "SBR" (and all the expensive bureaucratic BS that goes with it) is 16" but one way to get rifles that are close over the threshold is to have a pinned & welded brake fitted (like the 13.5" Armalite M15 3 gun rifle which is technically a 16" after this is carried out)

If this was allowed in Canada it would be a game changer, probably won't be though as its much too sensible
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To my recollection, the method of pinning and welding does nothing to increase barrel length by Canadian legal standards.
A 16" barrel with a 3" welded on flash hider is still a 16" barrel, just with a 3 inch flash hider on it.
 
FoxAlpha said:
To my recollection, the method of pinning and welding does nothing to increase barrel length by Canadian legal standards.
A 16" barrel with a 3" welded on flash hider is still a 16" barrel, just with a 3 inch flash hider on it.
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I suspected it would be this way.
 
The 18 1/2" limit was selected to restrict many existing rifles, like the M-1 carbine, and all the US legal semi autos with 16" barrels.
Just as 105mm was selected for handguns, to prohibit as many as possible.
Initially, a permanently attached extension was accepted.
When it became apparent that permitting extensions was allowing fish to escape from the net, the rules were changed.
 
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Unlucky

Pretty ridiculous when you think about it, in the heads of our enlightened overlords that extra 1/2" somehow magically changes that piece of metal from a deranged killing machine that must be demonized at every opportunity (restricted) to a mere hunting rifle or whatever other romantic idea people have of such guns along with the relaxation in the laws that go with such a classification (non restricted)

It somehow conjures up this image that no law abiding person would EVER want or need a gun thats less than 18.5" and criminals always choose guns that are under 18" so these measures will stop them in their tracks. Crazy thing is criminals by definition don't mind breaking a few laws so most likely won't be licensed in the first place (or if they have priors they may even prohibit them from owning firearms) and most certainly won't care about breaking an extra (dumb) law like this. Like I said, pretty ridiculous......

Anyways, rant over.
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Yep. Pisses me the hell off. 18" would be perfect because we would have SO MANY FREAKING OPTIONS for barrels. But nooooooooooooooooooo, 18" is apparently perfect for carrying in a trenchcoat and suddenly 18.5" is just fine.
 
There are a few opinions that safety guarantee you will meet NR length requirements:

https://www.theammosource.com/store...gaih9uvr9rctciu1u7&keyword=Odin+works&x=0&y=0

https://www.lockharttactical.com/recent/product/8612500-rise-armament-cb-188-competition-barrel

https://www.irunguns.com/product.rise-barrel-lw-223-wylde-188

https://truenortharms.com/products/...flute-stainless-barrel?variant=12175425732716

https://www.theammosource.com/store...cts_id=10613&zenid=j5bnqso1523tkkmiche2ag8ln4

These are just what I found searching for about 5 minutes. I'm sure there's more.

Buying a 18" barrel and hoping it was actually made a little longer than they advertised is a crap shoot at best
 
0FEA991D-A66E-4750-B92B-6002F660207C.jpgI just measured My advertised 20 inch Faxon.
It actually measures 20 1/2.
This is from end to end,as the barrel is not installed yet.
I think I’ll lose an 1/2 inch once the barrel is installed, because of the bolt ,being in the chamber a 1/2 inch.

So my point is, no where in the CC does it say that you have to measure a barrel, by sticking a dowel in it , until it brings up in the bolt face.
But it do say to measure from end to end.

I wonder if you guys actually took the barrel off and measured it correctly, would you gain that 1/2 inch.
 

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Brianma65 said:
View attachment 191400I just measured My advertised 20 inch Faxon.
It actually measures 20 1/2.
This is from end to end,as the barrel is not installed yet.
I think I’ll lose an 1/2 inch once the barrel is installed, because of the bolt ,being in the chamber a 1/2 inch.

So my point is, no where in the CC does it say that you have to measure a barrel, by sticking a dowel in it , until it brings up in the bolt face.
But it do say to measure from end to end.

I wonder if you guys actually took the barrel off and measured it correctly, would you gain that 1/2 inch.
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Yes your Faxon barrel will measure 20 1/2" total length including the barrel extension. The barrel extension is only a component that has been added to the barrel itself.

The bolt is not going into the chamber. It is going into the barrel extension, which is not part of the barrel or the chamber. The barrel extension is an added component just like a muzzle device.

No you would not gain the extra 1/2" due to my explanation above. This is covered in the section of law you posted by the part that says "but does not include the length of any component".

Although it goes on to say "including any component, part or accessory designed or intended to suppress the muzzle flash or reduce recoil." it does not limit the definition of "component" to muzzle devices. Hence the barrel extension only being an added component to what is legally defined as the barrel.

Sucks but it is what it is
 
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