Norc 1911 sport model - Mag release falls off?
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This thread is about Norc 1911s. Currently have 4 Nork 1911s, have sold two Governments not because there was anything wrong with them, I just prefer Sport and Commander...my 6 1911s are and were all good pistols. I am not a fan Norkie Sig-clones either but my NP58 performed well nonetheless.
RE: girl that dropped out of BB...what was she doing in a BB course in the first place? She enrolled in the BB without even shooting her Sig-clone? She should have enrolled in a basic shooting course first. Not the guns fault, IMO.
This thread is about Norc 1911s. Currently have 4 Nork 1911s, have sold two Governments not because there was anything wrong with them, I just prefer Sport and Commander...my 6 1911s are and were all good pistols. I am not a fan Norkie Sig-clones either but my NP58 performed well nonetheless.
RE: girl that dropped out of BB...what was she doing in a BB course in the first place? She enrolled in the BB without even shooting her Sig-clone? She should have enrolled in a basic shooting course first. Not the guns fault, IMO.
blackacres
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Yes, nice shooting. Somehow I think that the shooter had a lot to do with that grouping. Most guns are more accurated than the majority of shooters, including me!
Lets face it, if you have a limited budget the Norcs are attractive. They make a good entry level gun, but I don't understand why someone purchases a Norc then spends as much, or more modifying and adding parts to an entry level gun, especially when you can buy some very lightly used, better quality pistols for the same, or less money!
If you are a "high roller" with lots of $$$$$ and are "in to guns" a nice DW, Les Baer, Wilson may be the way to go.
Life is short, I'm getting on in years and have some "Toy" fund dollars, so I purchase guns that I feel will operate well, retain their value and last a long time.
Also, the way I look at it, a gun is a tool, the quality of the steel and the machining tolerances are important to create any quality tool. Norcs lack somewhat on repeating close tolerances.
If I am looking to buy say a drill, wrench, socket, something with a cutting blade, I know a US or EU made item will work well, retain an edge, and last for many years.
From experience I can't say that about the above items that are made in China. I've thrown away and broken enough Chinese made tools that I will go out of my way, perhaps save up to afford a well made tool.
I basically take the same approach when purchasing a gun.
Lastly, I go to the US a lot. The guys I chat with would love to get their hands on Norcs, as they would most likely be even cheaper than what we pay for them if importing them was opened up.
But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns in an attempt to keep US gun manufactureres in business. So, they can buy well made pistols for what we pay for Norcs.
I was in Houston last week, I went to Tactical Firearms to drool over the full autos, suppersors, etc. and to check out their 30 lane indoor range. 20 lanes for the average guy, a separate 5 lanes for suppressed guns and another separate 5 lanes for...............Party Groups!!
As an example, they were selling four models of FDE Glocks for $499.99 cash + 8% tax!!!
Entry level US made 1911's in the $500.00 to $700.00 range.
Oh, as a side note, they had a Ma Deuce you could rent and shoot in their indoor range.
Lets face it, if you have a limited budget the Norcs are attractive. They make a good entry level gun, but I don't understand why someone purchases a Norc then spends as much, or more modifying and adding parts to an entry level gun, especially when you can buy some very lightly used, better quality pistols for the same, or less money!
If you are a "high roller" with lots of $$$$$ and are "in to guns" a nice DW, Les Baer, Wilson may be the way to go.
Life is short, I'm getting on in years and have some "Toy" fund dollars, so I purchase guns that I feel will operate well, retain their value and last a long time.
Also, the way I look at it, a gun is a tool, the quality of the steel and the machining tolerances are important to create any quality tool. Norcs lack somewhat on repeating close tolerances.
If I am looking to buy say a drill, wrench, socket, something with a cutting blade, I know a US or EU made item will work well, retain an edge, and last for many years.
From experience I can't say that about the above items that are made in China. I've thrown away and broken enough Chinese made tools that I will go out of my way, perhaps save up to afford a well made tool.
I basically take the same approach when purchasing a gun.
Lastly, I go to the US a lot. The guys I chat with would love to get their hands on Norcs, as they would most likely be even cheaper than what we pay for them if importing them was opened up.
But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns in an attempt to keep US gun manufactureres in business. So, they can buy well made pistols for what we pay for Norcs.
I was in Houston last week, I went to Tactical Firearms to drool over the full autos, suppersors, etc. and to check out their 30 lane indoor range. 20 lanes for the average guy, a separate 5 lanes for suppressed guns and another separate 5 lanes for...............Party Groups!!
As an example, they were selling four models of FDE Glocks for $499.99 cash + 8% tax!!!
Entry level US made 1911's in the $500.00 to $700.00 range.Oh, as a side note, they had a Ma Deuce you could rent and shoot in their indoor range.
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To the OP, you need to filter out all information you get from this forum, as I always say this website starts to get way too many 'Internet expert' on board without a clue what they are talking about and like to call some firearms they do not like 'JUNK'. Come on show some manner at least. My $1200 US made 1911 is still under warranty repair. I wish yours get fixes soon then spend more time on the range.
A BB course is pretty basic IMO and you don't have to be bulls eye bill to pass it...and she didn't know that is HAD to shoot in in DA after every draw. She was a decent shot, just not at all in DA
Yes, nice shooting. Somehow I think that the shooter had a lot to do with that grouping. Most guns are more accurated than the majority of shooters, including me!
Lets face it, if you have a limited budget the Norcs are attractive. They make a good entry level gun, but I don't understand why someone purchases a Norc then spends as much, or more modifying and adding parts to an entry level gun, especially when you can buy some very lightly used, better quality pistols for the same, or less money!
If you are a "high roller" with lots of $$$$$ and are "in to guns" a nice DW, Les Baer, Wilson may be the way to go.
Life is short, I'm getting on in years and have some "Toy" fund dollars, so I purchase guns that I feel will operate well, retain their value and last a long time.
Also, the way I look at it, a gun is a tool, the quality of the steel and the machining tolerances are important to create any quality tool. Norcs lack somewhat on repeating close tolerances.
If I am looking to buy say a drill, wrench, socket, something with a cutting blade, I know a US or EU made item will work well, retain an edge, and last for many years.
From experience I can't say that about the above items that are made in China. I've thrown away and broken enough Chinese made tools that I will go out of my way, perhaps save up to afford a well made tool.
I basically take the same approach when purchasing a gun.
Lastly, I go to the US a lot. The guys I chat with would love to get their hands on Norcs, as they would most likely be even cheaper than what we pay for them if importing them was opened up.
But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns in an attempt to keep US gun manufactureres in business. So, they can buy well made pistols for what we pay for Norcs.
I was in Houston last week, I went to Tactical Firearms to drool over the full autos, suppersors, etc. and to check out their 30 lane indoor range. 20 lanes for the average guy, a separate 5 lanes for suppressed guns and another separate 5 lanes for...............Party Groups!!
As an example, they were selling four models of FDE Glocks for $499.99 cash + 8% tax!!!
Oh, as a side note, they had a Ma Deuce you could rent and shoot in their indoor range.
THAT...especially the first part is what I was trying to get across. Sure it "works" but once you put money into trying to improve it and make it match others you could have just bought one done "right" in the first place. Nothing wrong with buying used either as most people take great care of their guns...the EE does have great deals, they are just grabbed up quickly leaving only the other poorly priced ones behind.
Where did you hear that? Norinco got caught distributing weapons to "undesirables" and Clinton banned importation off ALL chinese firearms. It had nothing to do with home market sales. And whats wrong with dumping $400 into a $300 gun? Any 1911 under $1000 will have a cast frame. A tricked out Norc can often perform the same or better than a $1500 1911.
Yes, nice shooting. Somehow I think that the shooter had a lot to do with that grouping. Most guns are more accurated than the majority of shooters, including me!
Lets face it, if you have a limited budget the Norcs are attractive. They make a good entry level gun, but I don't understand why someone purchases a Norc then spends as much, or more modifying and adding parts to an entry level gun, especially when you can buy some very lightly used, better quality pistols for the same, or less money!
If you are a "high roller" with lots of $$$$$ and are "in to guns" a nice DW, Les Baer, Wilson may be the way to go.
Life is short, I'm getting on in years and have some "Toy" fund dollars, so I purchase guns that I feel will operate well, retain their value and last a long time.
Also, the way I look at it, a gun is a tool, the quality of the steel and the machining tolerances are important to create any quality tool. Norcs lack somewhat on repeating close tolerances.
If I am looking to buy say a drill, wrench, socket, something with a cutting blade, I know a US or EU made item will work well, retain an edge, and last for many years.
From experience I can't say that about the above items that are made in China. I've thrown away and broken enough Chinese made tools that I will go out of my way, perhaps save up to afford a well made tool.
I basically take the same approach when purchasing a gun.
Lastly, I go to the US a lot. The guys I chat with would love to get their hands on Norcs, as they would most likely be even cheaper than what we pay for them if importing them was opened up.
But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns in an attempt to keep US gun manufactureres in business. So, they can buy well made pistols for what we pay for Norcs.
I was in Houston last week, I went to Tactical Firearms to drool over the full autos, suppersors, etc. and to check out their 30 lane indoor range. 20 lanes for the average guy, a separate 5 lanes for suppressed guns and another separate 5 lanes for...............Party Groups!!
As an example, they were selling four models of FDE Glocks for $499.99 cash + 8% tax!!!
Oh, as a side note, they had a Ma Deuce you could rent and shoot in their indoor range.
Banning Chinese firearms had nothing to do what you said.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco
Read "Controversies in the United States".
Find me a 1911 with a frame as tough as a Norc's for under $1000. Maybe if it was overpriced like your $1000+ polymer H&K youd be more receptive of them. Fact is the guns have the best quality steel for a gun build. Your actually better off modding a $400 Norc than a $700 1911 because of the forged frame.
If the guns design is so poor your worried about frame failures then it is time to move on to another style. If a frame cracks after 50,000 rounds that is one thing...with the ammo it took to get there you could have bought the gun 15x over and you can still reuse the internals on the one with the damaged frame.
Operation dragon fire. 2000 type 56's were imported illegally. U.S customs posed as arms trafickers and TOLD north china industries they were purchasing guns for drug rings and street gangs. "undesirables" as I stated. All from the link you provided.
If im building a gun why would I pay more to start with steel of a lesser quality? I didnt say i was worried about frames cracking. John Browning designed a damn good gun and there is nothing wrong with it. Americans love Norcs for building race guns BECAUSE OF THE STEEL. I heard a norc frame alone costs $250-300 down south of the border.Just the frame!!!
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Please point out to me where I said "banned"?!
If you go to the US, you will be hard pressed to find a Norc in any gun store.
If you go to the US, you will be hard pressed to find a Norc in any gun store.
"Embargo" may be more accurate. Most if not all norc 1911 has a forged steel frame instead of casting on the average market. Which is the same case of those M305 and Springfield. Actually you can see some Norinco 1911 on magazines in 90's.
Don't waste the time with those kids. They should go trick or treat.
blackacres
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I am about to have a 1911 built for me, this is what it will begin as.
https://www.dlaskarms.com//popup_image.php?pID=343&osCsid=bd1bf7c519aa5bd40c09e9ff411b322d
Please don't attempt to convince me that Norc uses a superior material than a North American, 4140 forging, to build their guns!
4140 alloy is the material that the likes of PGW, and many other high end gun manufactureres machine their receivers from, including Dlask, Wilson, Les Baer, Kimber, the list goes on and on. After machining parts from 4140 a part is heat treated to provide an engineered hardness range to match up to other component hardness ranges.
Something I am not convinced Norc do, perhaps someone can 'enlighten' me though.
Just because someone says/feels that a Norc frame is considered "tougher" than others, if that is the case, and I'm not saying it is, then what part do you think will begin to wear then as the gun is used? Perhaps maybe the slide rails?!
The matching of moving steel parts/components in a gun is a refined science. Something I'll leave to other 'quality' gun manufacturing companies............................Norc not being one of them!
I assume you have performed Rockwell or Brinell hardness tests to confirm the "toughness", or more correctly 'hardness', of a Norc frame and understand how hard the material should be, so the slide and frame rail wear evenly?
https://www.dlaskarms.com//popup_image.php?pID=343&osCsid=bd1bf7c519aa5bd40c09e9ff411b322d
Please don't attempt to convince me that Norc uses a superior material than a North American, 4140 forging, to build their guns!
4140 alloy is the material that the likes of PGW, and many other high end gun manufactureres machine their receivers from, including Dlask, Wilson, Les Baer, Kimber, the list goes on and on. After machining parts from 4140 a part is heat treated to provide an engineered hardness range to match up to other component hardness ranges.
Something I am not convinced Norc do, perhaps someone can 'enlighten' me though.
Just because someone says/feels that a Norc frame is considered "tougher" than others, if that is the case, and I'm not saying it is, then what part do you think will begin to wear then as the gun is used? Perhaps maybe the slide rails?!
The matching of moving steel parts/components in a gun is a refined science. Something I'll leave to other 'quality' gun manufacturing companies............................Norc not being one of them!
I assume you have performed Rockwell or Brinell hardness tests to confirm the "toughness", or more correctly 'hardness', of a Norc frame and understand how hard the material should be, so the slide and frame rail wear evenly?
blackacres
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"But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns"
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"banning IMPORT"
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"But IMO the US Gov. did one thing right, they limited the importation of Chinese guns"
Your reply copied and pasted:
"banning IMPORT"
Am I missing something here?
