Norc .223 vs American Eagle 55 gr FMJ

I'm half way through my second case of Norc .223. I've had two failures to fire, both out of the first case. The rifle was barely broken in at the time.

My wife's S&W carbine is identical to mine and shows a definite preference for American Eagle.

Hands up anyone who hasn't found inconsistency in other brands of ammo? I've bought bulk brass with some cases that did not not have a flash hole. Someone at the plant was having a bad day.

I'd like to know how anyone could get enough rifle powder in a .223 case to blow up a rifle. Most powders used in 7.62 do a pretty good job of filling a case, compressed loads not a problem with some powders.
 
Im sorry but no, I will never shoot that ammo. I own some valuable guns that I spend months saving for I am going to shoot quality ammo.
 
Sharps '63 said:
I'm half way through my second case of Norc .223. I've had two failures to fire, both out of the first case. The rifle was barely broken in at the time.

My wife's S&W carbine is identical to mine and shows a definite preference for American Eagle.

Hands up anyone who hasn't found inconsistency in other brands of ammo? I've bought bulk brass with some cases that did not not have a flash hole. Someone at the plant was having a bad day.

I'd like to know how anyone could get enough rifle powder in a .223 case to blow up a rifle. Most powders used in 7.62 do a pretty good job of filling a case, compressed loads not a problem with some powders.
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There was a thread about a blown apart xcr firing winchester white box.
 
Sharps '63 said:
I'm half way through my second case of Norc .223. I've had two failures to fire, both out of the first case. The rifle was barely broken in at the time.

My wife's S&W carbine is identical to mine and shows a definite preference for American Eagle.

Hands up anyone who hasn't found inconsistency in other brands of ammo? I've bought bulk brass with some cases that did not not have a flash hole. Someone at the plant was having a bad day.

I'd like to know how anyone could get enough rifle powder in a .223 case to blow up a rifle. Most powders used in 7.62 do a pretty good job of filling a case, compressed loads not a problem with some powders.
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Depends on the powder, run a pistol powder in your 223 case and see what happens. Norinco also makes 9mm and 45 auto so it's not impossible for them to use the wrong powder.
It's not only an overcharge that can blow up a rifle.
 
cr5 said:
Depends on the powder, run a pistol powder in your 223 case and see what happens. Norinco also makes 9mm and 45 auto so it's not impossible for them to use the wrong powder.
It's not only an overcharge that can blow up a rifle.
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Pistol powder isn't going to magically find it's way into one round in a production run, even if it's Norinco.


American companies, however, have a history of putting the wrong powder in whole production lots and not catching it in time.
 
I'll happily take any and all Norc .223 people won't shoot in their $2000 AR 15's - at a discount price, of course .... ;>)
 
Sharps '63 said:
Oddly, my point of impact today (bright & sunny) at 200m was higher than it was yesterday when it was cloudy. I attribute that to the size of the red dot I had to dial in in order to see it. When it was cloudy I was using a smaller dot.

I think this thing could REALLY shoot well with a tactical scope on it.
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NO. Real and knowledgeable instructor will teach you this. When I shoot at CAFSAC with the CF we are aware that zeroing on a cloudy or sunny day will affect you POA/POI. Id you ZERO on a CLOUDY day your POI in a sunny day will be higher.

Looks like it is not optic specific. But your eye sight and distances seems to be it. There is no consensus on this but the bullet is right. And after thousands of rounds fired it looks like something is going on... ;)

P.S. If you zero in a sunny day I do a click up if I have to shoot on a dark rainy day. And the opposite is also true.

Cheers.
 
Only fired Norc lot #33 and have had no problems, great accuracy and hot...3150fps out a 14.5" barrel.

Shoot a lot of Federal AE as well and never had a problem but find the AE on the light side at only 2850fps out the same 14.5" barrel...At 400 yards that's over half a mil or 2MOA more hold over and it doesn't rock the gong like the Norc does.

I prefer to shoot Norc lot #33 then any of the anemic Federal AE I have used...When shooting under 150 yards the AE is fine but the Norc rules out past that distance.
 
I have used a case of Norc 1200rds on my Noveske, KAC, Sig and Tavor. No issues whatsoever. Somewhat descent groups out of the ARs 2-3" at 100 but the Tavor on the other hand was 4-6". Also i prefer the Norc brass over the AE for reloading. Always trimming the Norc brass while the AE brass are quite short for my liking 1.730-1.740"
 
Lastgun said:
Only fired Norc lot #33 and have had no problems, great accuracy and hot...3150fps out a 14.5" barrel.

Shoot a lot of Federal AE as well and never had a problem but find the AE on the light side at only 2850fps out the same 14.5" barrel...At 400 yards that's over half a mil or 2MOA more hold over and it doesn't rock the gong like the Norc does.

I prefer to shoot Norc lot #33 then any of the anemic Federal AE I have used...When shooting under 150 yards the AE is fine but the Norc rules out past that distance.
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Norinco is 5.56 spec, that's why it's hotter than AE .223.
 
I've had no issues with norinco stuff, but I realize s#1t happens when you shoot any cheaper ammo, Yankee stuff included. You can't get Ferrari quality control for Lada pricing. The only 5.56 I've shot that stunned me with how inaccurate it was with several $2500+ rifles, was MFS. Huge groups, and sideways tumbling at 50m, when other 55 grain stuff went into small groups, straight in. ????? Not a fan of their 5.56, but other calibres seem fine.
 
the only issue I had was it's hard to find it in the market. the norico 5.56 is M193 mil spec. so it is not surprised some rifle may hate.
 
Travis Bickle said:
I always found the Norinco 55gr exceptional ammuntion.
My old M16A1 clone would consistently put it into 3" circles at 100 with it using the irons from the prone supported and a thin target front post.
I also did a 10 round group comparison between the American Eagle 55gr and the Norc and noticed they performed almost exactly the same out to 200 meters which was the furthest I could get out at the time.
The Norc Ammo ran flawless in my AR. Hundreds and hundreds of rounds without a single FTF or FTE or any issues at all. It always shot as accurately as any other bulk 223/5.56mm ammo I ever shot in my AR.
I don't know where all the hate always came from.
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I too have run about 4K of Norinco ammo through three AR's. Haven't had one problem with it, not one. Good plinking ammo. I find M855 and M193 run the best groups for milspec ammo through my guns. But over the chronograph the norinco stuff was very consistent.
 
Cpt.Flan said:
NO. Real and knowledgeable instructor will teach you this. When I shoot at CAFSAC with the CF we are aware that zeroing on a cloudy or sunny day will affect you POA/POI. Id you ZERO on a CLOUDY day your POI in a sunny day will be higher.

Looks like it is not optic specific. But your eye sight and distances seems to be it. There is no consensus on this but the bullet is right. And after thousands of rounds fired it looks like something is going on... ;)

P.S. If you zero in a sunny day I do a click up if I have to shoot on a dark rainy day. And the opposite is also true.

Cheers.
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Thanks for the tip! Always ready to learn .....
 
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