norc 45
- Thread starter lone ranger
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definately something wrong- i've seen that kind of thing before, but usually the gun was well worn and in need of sear/trigger work, if not replacement- or maybe one of the notches in the hammer isn't deep enough- needs a smith in any case
handofzeus
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Always wait the 30 FULL seconds to determine misfire or hangfire. It sounds like even though the primer strike seems good, I would bet it still qualifies as a 'light' strike. Norcs have BAD springs. I replaced my main and firing pin as a set direct from WOLFF for $20. Are you using crap discount ammo? Cheap springs and crap ammo aren't a good recipe for accuracy.....or safety!
a spring problem would be CYCLING , not a hang- fire- this is a problem with the trigger bow, the notches in the hammer, or the relationship betwen the two- something is interfering with the hammer drop after the trigger has been pulled
the way to tell would be to DRY-FIRE it and see if the hammer gets a good whack on the pin; if it does, then it's the ammo- i wouldn't know about wolf or anyone else as i roll my own- but it's kind of a moot point as he's returning it anyway; i've heard of wolf ammo being smoky, and not going off at all,( wet) and squibs, but hangfires is in the priming mix
the way to tell would be to DRY-FIRE it and see if the hammer gets a good whack on the pin; if it does, then it's the ammo- i wouldn't know about wolf or anyone else as i roll my own- but it's kind of a moot point as he's returning it anyway; i've heard of wolf ammo being smoky, and not going off at all,( wet) and squibs, but hangfires is in the priming mix
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So, the hammer falls but the ammo hang fires? Or does the hammer hang? I'm guessing the hammer falls - if that is so, it's the ammo. Light strikes result in mis-fires, not hang fires. Bad ammo results in hangfires. I'm assuming the gun was stripped and cleaned before use - that is really important with Norinco guns, they come packed in preservative and dirt from the factory, you'd be amazed at the crap that's inside one of these when they come out of the box. There really aren't that many parts in there. If the hammer hangs Tell your buddy to send it to Armco, they'll send you back a better gun than the $500 he'll have into it should buy.
that's that stupid cfc crap again; if you get a misfire or a hang fire, i was taught that you cycle the slide to the rear, eject the round, check for barrel obstruction, and get back into the game- YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO WAIT 30 seconds
you should give the gun a stripping, clean it up and oil it well again... and give her a go with few various ammo brands and then see if it's the gun or the ammo... likely combo of both the hammer not striking hard enough combined with hard primers ?
Personally, if I bought a Norc pistol, I'd take it to gun smith and get a trigger job done to it with some new internal parts to better it... they're very reliable in general, but since so cheap to purchase, it's worth a few bucks to fine tune the really heavy crappy trigger they come with..
Personally, if I bought a Norc pistol, I'd take it to gun smith and get a trigger job done to it with some new internal parts to better it... they're very reliable in general, but since so cheap to purchase, it's worth a few bucks to fine tune the really heavy crappy trigger they come with..
Avalonthas
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You would change that attitude quick if the round decided to go off as your hand met the slide to rack it back, and it takes a chunk of skin with it...
Assuming the pistol chambers the rounds correctly and fully into battery, I think diagnosis is simple with one more critical piece of info:
Did the hammer fall all the way onto the firing pin when you experienced the 'delayed' fire?
If yes, then it's either hangfire due to bad ammo or misfire due to light strike. Sounds like you're describing hangfire, though. Change ammo or boost firing pin strike accordingly. The latter involves mainspring, mainspring plunger, mainspring housing, hammer strut, hammer pin, firing pin, firing pin spring, firing pin channel and firing pin hole in breechface.
If no, then it's a problem somewhere between the trigger and hammer. Complete disassembly and inspection might show you something that is obviously wrong, and it might not. Trigger bar, disconnector, sear, hammer, grip safety are involved. One or more could be out of adjustment, but hopefully someone at Factory 126 just left a chunk of ham sandwich in there.
Did the hammer fall all the way onto the firing pin when you experienced the 'delayed' fire?
If yes, then it's either hangfire due to bad ammo or misfire due to light strike. Sounds like you're describing hangfire, though. Change ammo or boost firing pin strike accordingly. The latter involves mainspring, mainspring plunger, mainspring housing, hammer strut, hammer pin, firing pin, firing pin spring, firing pin channel and firing pin hole in breechface.
If no, then it's a problem somewhere between the trigger and hammer. Complete disassembly and inspection might show you something that is obviously wrong, and it might not. Trigger bar, disconnector, sear, hammer, grip safety are involved. One or more could be out of adjustment, but hopefully someone at Factory 126 just left a chunk of ham sandwich in there.
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- Burnaby, BC
sounds like ammo to me. once the hammer falls and hits the firing pin that primer should go off and ignite the powder. mechanically there is no delay or enuff force to hold firing pin back for even a few sceonds, at least not that I am aware of in 1911s.
I reload my own ammo with CCI primers and occasionally I dont seat the primer properly in a few rounds. I pull the trigger and nothing happens. Cycle the slide and out pops the whole cartridge with a struck primer. Now that the primer is fully seated by the firing pin, I load the round again and pull the trigger, BANG, it goes.
you should try better a different ammo and see if you can duplicate the problem.
I reload my own ammo with CCI primers and occasionally I dont seat the primer properly in a few rounds. I pull the trigger and nothing happens. Cycle the slide and out pops the whole cartridge with a struck primer. Now that the primer is fully seated by the firing pin, I load the round again and pull the trigger, BANG, it goes.
you should try better a different ammo and see if you can duplicate the problem.
If it took 3 seconds for the round to go off after you pulled the trigger and other rounds have good primer strikes but will not fire, I think it's pretty obvious that the ammo is the issue, not the gun. Try shooting some winchester or american eagle.
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- Fort St John B.C.
return it to the manufacturer for warrenty work.
Halger280HVMag
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FWIW.
I have never seen a RED dot sight on any new Norinco 1911.
Only plain or white dot.
Maybe someone else bought the gun previously!
Just sayin' eh!
I have never seen a RED dot sight on any new Norinco 1911.
Only plain or white dot.
Maybe someone else bought the gun previously!
Just sayin' eh!
Not to worry, the good folks at Norinco will take care of you, after all their customer service exists.
Sorry to hear that. But unfortunately part of the reason why the gun is so inexpensive besides slave labour is the lack of customer service and liability.
Though to be fair, I hear most people are extremely happy with their Norinco 1911s. I'd return that, or if it's a final sale, spend the money to have a gunsmith look it over for some kind of deficiencies.
Sorry to hear that. But unfortunately part of the reason why the gun is so inexpensive besides slave labour is the lack of customer service and liability.
Though to be fair, I hear most people are extremely happy with their Norinco 1911s. I'd return that, or if it's a final sale, spend the money to have a gunsmith look it over for some kind of deficiencies.
Here is my opinion. My opinion ONLY.
Yes, we have always ( and still ) teach new shooters to wait 30 seconds before ejecting the round. For a new shooter or someone testing out a new gun and/or ammo, to me it still makes sense.
However for a more experienced shooter, especially participating in an action match with a known gun & ammo, go for it as far clear & continue ASAP.
