norc 45
- Thread starter lone ranger
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Tap, rack (tilt), bang for competition.
Tap, rack (tilt), scan for business. Bang if required.
In either case the object is to get the gun back into play as quickly as possible.
If I was looking at/working on this gun the first thing I would do is an external (dry-fire) check to see if everything is at least somewhat correct, functionally. This means trigger movement, sear release, half-#### clearance, thumb safety and beavertail function. After that I would remove the safeties, reassemble and manipulate to see clearly what's actually going on in there. Then take measurements as necessary and proceed according to what presents. Again, from the OP's comments I do not suspect an ammunition issue. I suspect it is hardware related. And I wouldn't throw a lot of money at retro-fitting stock Norinco parts either. For fire control I would be more inclined to replace with proven, high quality components to remove those as variables.
But that's just me.
If I read the original post right, both incidents happened directly after a reload and rack. First round in mag? Is it possible the hammer fell to half #### after dropping the slide and the trigger pull dropped the hammer from there resulting in a light strike?
I can't see any real mechanical problem that would cause a slow firing round. If the firing pin was slowed for some reason, maybe. My first suspicion would be contaminated primer in the ammo. I've had lots of light strikes over the years and never had one fire after the fact.
By any chance is there a firing pin safety, particularily a Schwartz type?
I can't see any real mechanical problem that would cause a slow firing round. If the firing pin was slowed for some reason, maybe. My first suspicion would be contaminated primer in the ammo. I've had lots of light strikes over the years and never had one fire after the fact.
By any chance is there a firing pin safety, particularily a Schwartz type?
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Matt_dal123
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Yeah I'm pretty serious. To be fair I have had two cartridge blow outs on hot barreled GPMG's and LMG minimi's. As you said, as quickly as possible is right. But that is in a firefight situation. I was in the military so it's not a nice try.
It's a fact. Drills are drills for a reason.
If you were in my platoon and you were on the range with a misfire with any weapon system and you thought you'd quickly pop the round out, you'd have a helmet thrown at your face.
Your CF forces guys are 100% right. Clear the MALFUNCTION. Five types, ill fitted mag, blockage, empty, misfire, gas stoppage. You clear it as fast as possible but correctly. You can ask any soldier how they are TAUGHT to clear these and I can gaurantee that a removal of a round on a misfire instantaneously is not true. They may not follow that imediate action drill after training. There own death/injury wish. A Misfire needs a pause to allow for possible detonation later on. If you eject that round, there IS a possiblity in fact it will go off out of the chamber.
And for the guy on the 1919 I couldn't care less if you wouldn't want to be near me when doing drills. They'd be done right and I've seen weapon injuries of all kinds including misfire injuries so I don't mind being flamed for doing things right. In no way am I saying that this is how it's done all the time. I'm saying thy extracting a round straight away on a misfire is not good.
Respectably
Matt
Yeah I'm pretty serious. To be fair I have had two cartridge blow outs on hot barreled GPMG's and LMG minimi's. As you said, as quickly as possible is right. But that is in a firefight situation. I was in the military so it's not a nice try.
It's a fact. Drills are drills for a reason.
If you were in my platoon and you were on the range with a misfire with any weapon system and you thought you'd quickly pop the round out, you'd have a helmet thrown at your face.
Your CF forces guys are 100% right. Clear the MALFUNCTION. Five types, ill fitted mag, blockage, empty, misfire, gas stoppage. You clear it as fast as possible but correctly. You can ask any soldier how they are TAUGHT to clear these and I can gaurantee that a removal of a round on a misfire instantaneously is not true. They may not follow that imediate action drill after training. There own death/injury wish. A Misfire needs a pause to allow for possible detonation later on. If you eject that round, there IS a possiblity in fact it will go off out of the chamber.
And for the guy on the 1919 I couldn't care less if you wouldn't want to be near me when doing drills. They'd be done right and I've seen weapon injuries of all kinds including misfire injuries so I don't mind being flamed for doing things right. In no way am I saying that this is how it's done all the time. I'm saying thy extracting a round straight away on a misfire is not good.
Respectably
Matt
and your way is the right way?- i should hardly think so ;
tm 9-1005-211-34
page 10, paragraph 3
and i quote
" upon the occurance of a failure to fire, or misfire, the slide shall IMMEDIATELY be drawn to the rear, the ROUND EXTRACTED, the magazine ejected, and the pistol examined for damage
and that's DIRECT from the us army handbook of 1911; end of arguement
Matt_dal123
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Since when was this a argument? Your right lol. What do I know
Have a good day gentlemen.
