Norc bashing is it really warranted?

r34skyline said:
Have you compared said personalized rifle to the "original"? Which sprigfield model have you compared your norinco m305?

And the gem in the rough? Let's be really honest about this. People buy norincos because it is the cheapest thing on the block that looks like the original.
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Is that why Americans buy Norc 1911's and M305's and then send them to a Smith for work? The early Springfields were truly great rifles - I've had a real TRW M14 and a friend has a "Devine" Springer and those guns are comparable, but there's just no comparison with a current Springfield, worlds apart for quality, and say what you want about Springfield's warranty, it's virtually useless in Canada. At a starting list of $1800 you have a right to a better rifle than the current Springer.
 
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Mine shoots like crap. It's a 1911 Sport model.

I thought it was me since it was my first pistol. Shot a bunch of other guns, not bad. But this thing looks like a shotgun round below the bull. I've put it over a rest at 7 yards and it's still pretty miserable.

It has failed to go into battery once due to my gloves catching on the slide. Re-rack and good to go. She's eaten about 800 rounds so far.
 
mikeyb said:
Mine shoots like crap. It's a 1911 Sport model.

I thought it was me since it was my first pistol. Shot a bunch of other guns, not bad. But this thing looks like a shotgun round below the bull. I've put it over a rest at 7 yards and it's still pretty miserable.

It has failed to go into battery once due to my gloves catching on the slide. Re-rack and good to go. She's eaten about 800 rounds so far.
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Check for a sloppy bushing. I had the same problem with a different 1911
 
Mark-II said:
Check for a sloppy bushing. I had the same problem with a different 1911
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Thats what I did early on, its wearing a Fusion bushing now and its TIGHT. I dunno, maybe I break down with it but nothing else. I just can't sort it out, but I need another few hundred down the pipe to be really sure. It even an Armco tuned 1911 with a minty trigger.
 
I own a Dominion arms 1911 and a taurus 1911. Both are pretty good as far as 1911's go considering those "certain" areas are polished etc. Although when I think back now for the price of both combined I couldv picked up a reliable sig* Glock, hell even an HK,,, and those brands are a non failure issue (for the most part). I think nowadays I'd rather own a few "Quality" pistols than Many "unreliable" ones, so I save up even if it takes a couple years, then when ready, I pick up something worthwhile, no need to rush and just grab a pistol for the cost factor, IMO. Certain things nowadays I try not to "go cheap" on : suits, watches, firearms, tires, beer, coffee, toilet paper. But I can respect everyone has a budget, hell I'm in my dirty thirties w no kids so who am I to judge. I bet when the mrs pops out a few I'll prob sell all my firearms and keep 3, the Glock, 12Gauge, and a 30-06 . :)
 
Vitalhitzonly said:
I own a Dominion arms 1911 and a taurus 1911. Both are pretty good as far as 1911's go considering those "certain" areas are polished etc. Although when I think back now for the price of both combined I couldv picked up a reliable sig* Glock, hell even an HK,,, and those brands are a non failure issue (for the most part). I think nowadays I'd rather own a few "Quality" pistols than Many "unreliable" ones, so I save up even if it takes a couple years, then when ready, I pick up something worthwhile, no need to rush and just grab a pistol for the cost factor, IMO. Certain things nowadays I try not to "go cheap" on : suits, watches, firearms, tires, beer, coffee, toilet paper. But I can respect everyone has a budget, hell I'm in my dirty thirties w no kids so who am I to judge. I bet when the mrs pops out a few I'll prob sell all my firearms and keep 3, the Glock, 12Gauge, and a 30-06 . :)
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Nah, buy as big a safe as you can find / afford and keep on quietly filling it. When asked is that a new rifle / shotgun / hand gun, simply reply, no it's a really economical Norinco project gun I picked up as a bargain. :)

Secret of my success!

Candocad.
 
Currently "Norc free", but the 1911's I've owned in the past all functioned well. The batchs seem to vary in quality somewhat though, some are finished very well and others you could shave yourself with. Great guns for the money. They sure make it more affordable for new shooters especially.
 
I only have any real experience with the M305 and a Norc 1911. Today I own a Kimber Custom II 1911 and would buy an Springfield M1A in a second. That should tell you what I think of Norc quality.

Some years back Virginia Postrel argued that we had reached a stage in consumerism where reliability was no longer a selling point because most things are in fact reliable. Unless you get a crummy one, most Norcs do what they were designed (or rather, cloned) to do: Shoot bullets. Postrel argued that design was becoming increasingly important for people. That's the problem I have with Norc products -- they look ugly or feel cheap.

Is Norc bashing warranted? For me aesthetics is a variable, so yes, I think it is. But if people like them, cool. Whatever makes you happy.
 
My Np34 (sig228 clone) was great...until the firing pin broke during dry firing. Now I need to take it into a gun smith because I can't get the pressed in pins out of the slide to change the firing pin. I would guess I only dry fired it 50 times or so and I had well under 500 rounds through it. It was accurate and Didn't malfunction - until the firing pin of course.
 
nelly250 said:
My Np34 (sig228 clone) was great...until the firing pin broke during dry firing. Now I need to take it into a gun smith because I can't get the pressed in pins out of the slide to change the firing pin. I would guess I only dry fired it 50 times or so and I had well under 500 rounds through it. It was accurate and Didn't malfunction - until the firing pin of course.
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Good to know glad I use snap caps on my NP34 as all my guns.
 
Own a bunch of their 1911s, an m305, and had a few of their ARs, one with over 5,000 rnds through, no issues.

Would have been good to see a poll in a thread like this.
 
Have Norc:

1911:
Works great, no issues


M93:
Functions awesome, feeds anything, really accurate.
Only potential issues (lack of Chinese quality metals or hardening process?) the corner of the slide wears down (rounds), after a few thousand rounds the slide stop (during empty mag hold open) may not engage.


Grizzly 12.5" removable box mag: My bush gun and go to gun. Needed to tweak it slightly so it would feed right, almost sent it back but the waiting list convinced me to figure it out. It now works flawlessly. I beat the #### out of it (quading, camping, etc) and it keeps trucking.

No "exploding" issues of any sort.
Sure, the fit and finish is sub par compared to guns twice+ their price. But ya pay for what ya get... Plastics on norcs usually sucks.




I wanted a .22 semi auto pistol. Had no plans of customizing it, just wanted it to go bang. M93 goes bang just like one twice its price. (and is accurate enough for my ability)
I wanted a shotgun, was going to customize it to the specifics that I wanted. So norc coming with cheap plastics did not matter. And its the only feasible options for removable box mag...

I wanted a amazing semi auto pistol. Did not want to have to customize it much, wanted perfection. My Walther PPQ (M1) is amazing. I love it out of the box (unlike my norc 1911). Its also 3x the price of my norc 1911... But i love the PPQ.
 
The norc K98-ish .22 is a sweet little bolt rifle. Bit rough around the edges, but I put a repro SVT40 scope on it and put 35 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 25 yards on the first outing with it (indoor range). Not expensive and well worth the money.

I had forgotten how much fun an ACCURATE .22 can be, after years of spray n pray semis
 
Mark-II said:
The norc K98-ish .22 is a sweet little bolt rifle. Bit rough around the edges, but I put a repro SVT40 scope on it and put 35 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 25 yards on the first outing with it (indoor range). Not expensive and well worth the money.

I had forgotten how much fun an ACCURATE .22 can be, after years of spray n pray semis
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My experience to. Great value for an adult size 22 bolt rifle. Another surprise was how well my Chiappa M1 actually shot. Was a little disappointed in the amount of plastic on it, but it shoots well.

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I have quite a few norc's. and i am happy with them.

2x m305's (1-18" & 1-22") the 18" has the gas system unitized, nothing else (m14.ca scope mount) easily capable of groups less than half the size of the reported (4" at 100yd is the best you can expect) the 22" is completely tuned in a sage chassis. shoots loonie sized groups at 100 easily (handloads). for the money i spent on both of them i could buy one springfield that may or may not shoot as well as my tuned up 22". finish on them isnt as good as a springfield, ill be the first to admit that. i have fondled and examined and compared and shot spring. and norc. side by side. and i cant justify paring four times as much for a gun that is "american made" and does the same thing.

1x t97. great gun, my go to .223. fit and finish were excellent when i got it (its my coyote gun and rides around in my truck so its got a few dings now). mounted a FTU for optics. 1700+ rounds of norinco ammo and never even pulled the gas plug out, gas system has never been cleaned. runs like a top, and is far more accurate than my american AR-15 (black forge) and shot the same groups as a friends DD upper at 100yrds. my only complaint with it is how hard/ far it flings brass. other than that couldnt be happier. (yes i realize i should clean the gas system more, im on a mission to see how much i can shoot it before it starts failing)

1x 1911a1 "sport". Great pistol, goes bang every time. and lets face it, everybody and their dogs dog makes a 1911. they vary in quality. buy a norc for 400$ tune it yourself or have a smith do it for another couple hundered. and you have a 1911 that will shoot just as good as a 1911 three times as much money.

1x np-34 sig clone. my range beater. shoots my handloaded 9mm ammo, never once had a problem with it, and ive fired in excess of 4000 rounds through it, recoil spring is almost pooched but thats pretty minor.

those are all the ones that i have that shoot regularly. all my guns are shooters. they dont sit in the case and get wiped off as soon as they are handled. they get shot, beat on, probably not cleaned as often as i should, and they all function. Bottom line is: for the money norc's are a good deal. every manufacturer has their problems. american made doesn't mean top quality.
norc's are a great way to get into this wonderful sport affordably. if you can afford to buy a 2000$ AR or 1911 for your first gun, go hard. enjoy it. and make sure you join the elitist ranks of CGN after.

on a side note: read lee emersons m14 rhad. "Parts from the select fire
M14 rifles were later exported to the United States as M14 parts kits for use by Federal
Ordnance, Inc., Arms Corporation of America, Inc. and Century Arms International in
1991 and 1992 to build rifles with American made receivers."

"Representatives from Poly Technologies met for five days with Smith Enterprise
personnel, with David Keng of Keng’s Firearms Specialty acting as translator. The Poly
Technologies representatives were supplied with a set of USGI drawings for the M14 and
five stripped semi-automatic Smith Enterprise, Inc. M-14 receivers."
 
I own several norcs and cannot tell you of one instance that any of them have failed me! Best bang on the CDN market as far as im concerned
 
I've got a Norinco CQ-A, and the HP9 and l've never had a problem with either one. In fact, l'm going to pick up another Norinco in a couple weeks. This time the .45
I wouldn't hesitate for one second to buy a Norinco firearm.
I have friends that have various Norinco as well, and praise them as much as l do. The ones that put them down, are usually just snobs, or want to but firearms solely based on the name brand.
That's my 2 cents worth
 
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