Norc CQ M4 vs NEA AR-15
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This doesn't look good...
Read the post by NZA's range report.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=742021&highlight=Nea&page=3
Read the post by NZA's range report.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=742021&highlight=Nea&page=3
lejarretnoir
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I hope you don't get those problems. In any case, please take pics and videos if you can. There is really not much of anything on youtube about the NEA's. Nothing to compare. Unboxing videos, range reports and such.This doesn't look good...
Read the post by NZA's range report.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=742021&highlight=Nea&page=3
I'll try later this week if I get time to a do Norc M4 accuracy range report with different loads. I've already reworked the trigger so that is out of the way.
I sure hope I don't get those problems, and I will post as much videos, pics and info about my NEA CQB once its in.
wherermykeys
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Since the OP was asking about accuracy...Norc 14.5 with regular plastic handguards and a s**tty NCStar 4X scope shooting my own handloads at 100 yds
I've now sold this and bought a Spikes after giving up on the 4 month wait for my NEA (after I was told they'd be in stock in 3 weeks). The Spikes only cost me $100 more but didn't come with a free float hand guard. I've seen two NEAs at my range with gas keys that were completely loose. I took the BCG out and the gas key bolts were finger tight. Of the 3 NEA gas keys I've seen that were actually staked, they were probably some of the worst I've ever seen. It looked like someone just took a little automatic centrepunch and just randomly punched them somewhere near the bolts. Hand on heart, my Norc gas key was staked WAY better than the NEAs, my trigger was better out of the box and after changing to a heavier buffer, I had ZERO malfunctions in thousands of rounds through the Norc. That rifle was sold to a friend and is still working perfectly.
I'm not trying to badmouth NEA...this is just what I've seen myself.
As for everyone saying they need to work the bugs out...this is an AR we're talking about, not some brand new ground up design. As far as I know, their BCGs, LPK and buffer assemblies are outsourced (to Canadian companies but still outsourced). If anyone of us can buy these parts from proven manufacturers and build a gun that works, why can't they? And I know I keep harping on about the gas keys but how do you assemble a rifle and not notice the lack of staking? How distracted do you need to be? What else are they not catching? Even the ones that are staked, I've never seen staking that bad in my life. I know they have a lifetime warranty, made in Canada blah blah but what good is that if they just don't work?
My take on NEAs? If you're spending $1000 anyway, what's another couple hundred bucks for a proven Stag or Spikes?
I've now sold this and bought a Spikes after giving up on the 4 month wait for my NEA (after I was told they'd be in stock in 3 weeks). The Spikes only cost me $100 more but didn't come with a free float hand guard. I've seen two NEAs at my range with gas keys that were completely loose. I took the BCG out and the gas key bolts were finger tight. Of the 3 NEA gas keys I've seen that were actually staked, they were probably some of the worst I've ever seen. It looked like someone just took a little automatic centrepunch and just randomly punched them somewhere near the bolts. Hand on heart, my Norc gas key was staked WAY better than the NEAs, my trigger was better out of the box and after changing to a heavier buffer, I had ZERO malfunctions in thousands of rounds through the Norc. That rifle was sold to a friend and is still working perfectly.
I'm not trying to badmouth NEA...this is just what I've seen myself.
As for everyone saying they need to work the bugs out...this is an AR we're talking about, not some brand new ground up design. As far as I know, their BCGs, LPK and buffer assemblies are outsourced (to Canadian companies but still outsourced). If anyone of us can buy these parts from proven manufacturers and build a gun that works, why can't they? And I know I keep harping on about the gas keys but how do you assemble a rifle and not notice the lack of staking? How distracted do you need to be? What else are they not catching? Even the ones that are staked, I've never seen staking that bad in my life. I know they have a lifetime warranty, made in Canada blah blah but what good is that if they just don't work?
My take on NEAs? If you're spending $1000 anyway, what's another couple hundred bucks for a proven Stag or Spikes?
50M range. Open sights. 55gr AE
I've put approx 2000rds threw mine, used and abused it. Treated it like a rented shovel, no upgrades except an Aimpoint and a Magpul BUIS. The only problems I've had was with the mags supplied (junk) and operator error. Otherwise good to go.
I also have the 10.5" upper on a Bushmaster lower and that too is good to go, with approx 200 rounds threw it. No pictures of it yet.
No comment about the NEA but they certainly remind me of this little smilie right here:
May I ask which one
from DD ? 6061 on the receivers? I would like to see it.I have asked NEA before and was told they were made with 7075. But then it came out as 6061. I don't know why. Perhaps one day NEA will change that back to 7075. Then there will be at least no more debate on this 6061 vs 7075.
To the OP: why compare a $1000+ AR with a $699 AR? Does it sound something already? Or should it compare with a basic CORE 15 at $1099?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norinco
Mmmmm...I wonder if its not too late to cancel my NEA, I already received my Reference number...but it hasn't been shipped yet...I think I should save money for a LMT...Frankly that NEA buisness is starting to scare the #### outta me!!!
OP: Yes Catlin drives his Jetta like there is no tomorrow! hahaha. He said he was there when the M14 blew the barrel down range. Sounds like they over tq'd the barrel when assembling it, which can happen to any firearm.
My only point in regards to the above as others have stated is that the NEA is almost in the price range of proven products with excellent reputations. The Norc is the only REAL bargain with a $650 price tag new.
Both will be equally accurate, both will handle range duty fine, IMO the Norcs tend to be the better buy because IMO you get more than you pay for given the Canadian limitations.
Epoxy added to my earlier point, he needed a good rifle and made a fantastic choice. After his LE discount he was probably splitting hairs price wise between NEA and the LMT and if your going to depend on somthing why not pic a brand you know has been proven and has very strict QC. I am not knocking NEA, they are a new company finding their feet, however the few QC issues they have had spread like wild fire on here.
That being said, I give NEA big credit for a handsome looking reciever, as well as moving towards alternative materials to provide variety in a very saturated market and for using new metal treatments again breaking with the majority of manufacturers. Exploring new materials is quite innovative in the black rifle market considering the slavish devotion to "Milspec" which is quickly becoming very outdated criteria. IMO it is possible to build a far superior rifle with modern materials and treatments that would not meet the milspec criteria. Then again, IIRC "Milspec" is largely a criteria of yesterday
Daniel Defense T-6061 upper
https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html
They have a few more T6061 options on their site.
My only point in regards to the above as others have stated is that the NEA is almost in the price range of proven products with excellent reputations. The Norc is the only REAL bargain with a $650 price tag new.
Both will be equally accurate, both will handle range duty fine, IMO the Norcs tend to be the better buy because IMO you get more than you pay for given the Canadian limitations.
Epoxy added to my earlier point, he needed a good rifle and made a fantastic choice. After his LE discount he was probably splitting hairs price wise between NEA and the LMT and if your going to depend on somthing why not pic a brand you know has been proven and has very strict QC. I am not knocking NEA, they are a new company finding their feet, however the few QC issues they have had spread like wild fire on here.
That being said, I give NEA big credit for a handsome looking reciever, as well as moving towards alternative materials to provide variety in a very saturated market and for using new metal treatments again breaking with the majority of manufacturers. Exploring new materials is quite innovative in the black rifle market considering the slavish devotion to "Milspec" which is quickly becoming very outdated criteria. IMO it is possible to build a far superior rifle with modern materials and treatments that would not meet the milspec criteria. Then again, IIRC "Milspec" is largely a criteria of yesterday
Daniel Defense T-6061 upper
https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html
They have a few more T6061 options on their site.
yeah DD, Stag, Kac, Noveske are such a hard sell now that NEA is on the market
Yes, that is exactly what I said.
I didn't mention DD, KAC or Noveske and you can't buy a KAC or Noveske for anything like NEA or even Stag or LMT prices.
Apples and oranges. If you can afford KAC and are considering one, chances are you aren't looking at NEA as an option.
As for DD, I've had a DD and have used their parts. My honest opinion is that DD is not as well made as Stag/CMT. YMMV.
If you aren't going to be happy with it, don't buy it in the first place.
That being said, there is nothing to be scared of.
If you are worried about what parts wil lship o nthe rifle, go by their present ads. At different times they have shipped different parts/features (e.g. semi-auto bolts, slickside uppers, etc.). Presently thay are advertising staked FA bolts and that is what you will likely get unless the dealer is sending you old stock.
I'm not worried of my choice, its just the DRAMA surrounding NEA on gun nutz is unbearable!!!
What if I love my NEA-15 and it works good? Am I gonna be called a shill? J/K
I think that the NORCs are as good as the NEA anyway. I just didn't like the finish of norcs, and even if the internals of the NEA ends up being crappy, it can all be replaced by aftermarket trigger assemblies and bolt assemblies. What matters to me is the external quality. A solid receiver and a solid gun is what I'm looking for.
What if I love my NEA-15 and it works good? Am I gonna be called a shill? J/K
I think that the NORCs are as good as the NEA anyway. I just didn't like the finish of norcs, and even if the internals of the NEA ends up being crappy, it can all be replaced by aftermarket trigger assemblies and bolt assemblies. What matters to me is the external quality. A solid receiver and a solid gun is what I'm looking for.
I have a new Norinco 14.5" and it is virtually flawless in the fit and finish department, I looked at some last year and backed right away as they were very crude. I hope to hit the range this week with it, at this time though Im very happy with my choice at 675.00
Bolivar
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What if I love my NEA-15 and it works good? Am I gonna be called a shill? J/K
Well yes, yes you will.
Heck, I'm surprised I haven't been called a Norc shill yet.
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