Both rifles will hit an 8" gong at 200 yards just about every time if I do my part. I like the fit and finish on the NEA way better, not to mention the fact that it is locally made. Are there better out there? for sure...
Norc CQ M4 vs NEA AR-15
- Thread starter Multicamguy
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Both rifles will hit an 8" gong at 200 yards just about every time if I do my part. I like the fit and finish on the NEA way better, not to mention the fact that it is locally made. Are there better out there? for sure...
Trust me, there is ALWAYS something better out there. It comes down to how Financially commited you want to be.
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
LMT and Stag also cost more to start so their resale should be higher. I've never personally understood why the resale value of a gun is a reason to buy (unless it is going to actually appreciate as in being collectable) but that is me.
Can't argue that LMT and Stag are nice rifle though.
As for the OPs question about Norc or NEA....I really can't say. I have a Norc and I like it. That is all I can factually say on the subject. I've shot it to 400 yards and it was accurate as most ARs on the line. In my case it is the shooter that needs work, not the rifle.
lejarretnoir
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- 162km from Connaught
The problem getting one used on the EE is that they usually have way too much bling on them and the price is closing in on $2000. Most of us have no dealers close by who stock these on racks.
So the Norcs and NEA's win. If NEA wasn't offering any AR's I'd buy a Norc instantly!
Not true, plain Jane good deals can be had, I picked one up without looking very hard. It now lives nicely next to my trusty LMT, they get along well.
CST Grad C.Nixon
Regular
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Norcs Norcs and Norcs some more... The one I had yes I admit was a bit ungodly lookin in the finish dept, however the thing shot like a beast, I woulda kept that one till I had enough to step up to an LMT, good custom from ATRS, etc etc... Just my $0.02 
lejarretnoir
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- 162km from Connaught
How much?
I still want the NEA barrel profile.
Don't care for that Norc, Colt or Stag M4 profile and something that would cost me to replace.
No intention of ever mounting a grenade launcher for paper targets.
Of course, you can now get Daniel Defense or LMT AR's for under $1500, so Ar options in Canada have REALLY improved in price of the last year.
Despite some of the negative press of late, I would still buy an NEA over the Norinco simply because the NEA has a lifetime warranty in Canada and stocks/makes enough parts to reliably honour that warranty. That is assuming you are looking to spend no more than about $1000 and want a factory-assembled AR.
In my actual gun safes though, all but one of my AR's were assembled from quality parts by me. The one "factory" AR I have is a factory CMMG AR15A2 that I turned into a C7A1 clone and I got it because I can't build an A2 affordably. For some reason A2 parts are a lot more expensive separately than assembled, probably because they are now low volume production items - everyone wants an M4 lookalike.
Despite some of the negative press of late, I would still buy an NEA over the Norinco simply because the NEA has a lifetime warranty in Canada and stocks/makes enough parts to reliably honour that warranty. That is assuming you are looking to spend no more than about $1000 and want a factory-assembled AR.
In my actual gun safes though, all but one of my AR's were assembled from quality parts by me. The one "factory" AR I have is a factory CMMG AR15A2 that I turned into a C7A1 clone and I got it because I can't build an A2 affordably. For some reason A2 parts are a lot more expensive separately than assembled, probably because they are now low volume production items - everyone wants an M4 lookalike.
This isn't hard for me.
Despite the haters, for your price point, you ARE getting a lot more with an NEA. They stand behind their product, and that says a lot. I own one of the first ones, and as my intoduction to AR's it's been great.
Support communism, or support a domestic manufacturer trying very hard to provide the marketplace with an ethical alternative.
I love mine, and while I feel bad for those who've had issues with their NEA's, I think you have to look past the internet pile on that they're receiving. If you're at all apprehensive, just give them some time to iron out the bugs. They will, and they are.
Either way, I think the clear choice is NEA. Warranty, service, and a true desire to provide the Canadian marketplace with a lot more value.
Yeah, they have their haters, and the internet is not forgiving, but, it's your money, and now that they're making all their parts in house, I expect the quality to be there. All the in-house parts have been made very well, and they know there's no further room for error in their processes.
Despite the haters, for your price point, you ARE getting a lot more with an NEA. They stand behind their product, and that says a lot. I own one of the first ones, and as my intoduction to AR's it's been great.
Support communism, or support a domestic manufacturer trying very hard to provide the marketplace with an ethical alternative.
I love mine, and while I feel bad for those who've had issues with their NEA's, I think you have to look past the internet pile on that they're receiving. If you're at all apprehensive, just give them some time to iron out the bugs. They will, and they are.
Either way, I think the clear choice is NEA. Warranty, service, and a true desire to provide the Canadian marketplace with a lot more value.
Yeah, they have their haters, and the internet is not forgiving, but, it's your money, and now that they're making all their parts in house, I expect the quality to be there. All the in-house parts have been made very well, and they know there's no further room for error in their processes.
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'm not so sure about the supporting communism thing there man. We do trade with China. If everybody feels so strongly about the anit-chinese gov thing they should petition the government to cut economic and social ties with them.
It's not like Norc firearms are cutting into the business of Canadian firearms manufacturers. Heck, NEA can't keep up and I don't think ATRS is suffering (don't know). As far as supporting US made ARs, last time I checked they were still foreign and it ain't like a Americans are coming here clamoring for our products.
You know, perhaps having trade relations with the big, bad evil Chinese empire will have a positive effect on their policies and human rights. Or not. I don't know really, I'm not much on foreign policy and imposing my will on others.
Frankly, I think Norc AR's get a much worse rap on the internet than they deserve. Where are all the screams and cries of poor performance and parts breakage. Not saying their have not been some duds (missing gas ports as I recall - admittedly that is pretty bad) but for the most part they are workable and reliable. And hey, they are readily available.
A lot of the complaints about Norc seem to be fit and finish. Frankly I don't care much for how my rifles look. I care if it works.
I would never say buy a Norc in favor of something else, especially NEA (cause I want them to succeed and they have a great warranty) but I don't think owing a Norc is a strike against democracy or an invitation to endless failures and frustrations. For many it is the most affordable way to get into Black Rifles and frankly a starting price of over $1000 puts many people off. Norc is an affordable gate way in.
Buy whatever you want and be happy with it. Then shoot the living #### out of it to develop your shooting skill and have fun. Isn't that what is really important in our sport?
It's not like Norc firearms are cutting into the business of Canadian firearms manufacturers. Heck, NEA can't keep up and I don't think ATRS is suffering (don't know). As far as supporting US made ARs, last time I checked they were still foreign and it ain't like a Americans are coming here clamoring for our products.
You know, perhaps having trade relations with the big, bad evil Chinese empire will have a positive effect on their policies and human rights. Or not. I don't know really, I'm not much on foreign policy and imposing my will on others.
Frankly, I think Norc AR's get a much worse rap on the internet than they deserve. Where are all the screams and cries of poor performance and parts breakage. Not saying their have not been some duds (missing gas ports as I recall - admittedly that is pretty bad) but for the most part they are workable and reliable. And hey, they are readily available.
A lot of the complaints about Norc seem to be fit and finish. Frankly I don't care much for how my rifles look. I care if it works.
I would never say buy a Norc in favor of something else, especially NEA (cause I want them to succeed and they have a great warranty) but I don't think owing a Norc is a strike against democracy or an invitation to endless failures and frustrations. For many it is the most affordable way to get into Black Rifles and frankly a starting price of over $1000 puts many people off. Norc is an affordable gate way in.
Buy whatever you want and be happy with it. Then shoot the living #### out of it to develop your shooting skill and have fun. Isn't that what is really important in our sport?
Frozen Snake
Regular
- Location
- 49°29'28" N 119°35'19" W
I laugh at the whole "your supporting supporting Communism", If you feel that way, You are not shopping at Walmart or Canadian tire. Look around Lot of stuff made in China. Also as for resale value, Look what a used Norc is going for in the exchange. Buy it for $600ish and a year later sell it for the same price and probably sell it off fast. As for the NEA? In my opinion it is to early to judge the NEA.
Bolivar
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I agree with last part. Somehow peoples expectations of NEA are too high for a for whatever reason (maybe partially their fault) and then when there were problems people jumped all over them. Add to that some PR errors (huge) and you have ignited a nighmare of bad feeling in your potential customer base.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
Buying Canadian when it is available and affordable makes sense IMO. I don't think any one of us can get through the year without purchasing some things that are made in China but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Buying Canadian just feels good and I factor that along with all of the other criterion I consider when making any purchase. How much weight to give to that "feel-good factor" is a very individual thing. As to the OP, I believe you will be happy buying either an NEA or a Norc - the one you think you will be happiest with is the right one.
It is icing on the cake, that for sure. I do like to support ANY Canadian companies when possible.
Another note, I think you black rifle guys forget how expensive it is to get into this game. Or, maybe not.... But the Norc is by far the cheapest, and it is still $760 post tax if you buy new. You could buy a beautiful revolver or an awesome hunting rifle for that cost. And the Norc is as low as it goes.
Buying a black rifle is somewhat of a financial commitement, even to get something many despise. Sure, the NEa is only $400 more, but thats almost 35% more than the Norc. Also, that is no sights, so tack on some more $$ right there.
For me the Norc was the right choice. It's a descent rifle, and with the money I saved I bought the Lucid optic, LAR mags, ammo, and a new flash hider. And STILL, came in under the NEA. For what I want the rifle for, it will be just fine
For my next rifle... Maybe NEA
Pistolwhiptricks
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Mississauga
I have a Norinco and my friend just bought a NEA 2 weeks ago. We took both rifles out shooting today and his NEA was having feeding problems. We figured it was the bolt and put the bolt from my Norinco into his NEA and then it functioned flawlessly. For some odd reason though my Norinco fired just fine with the NEA bolt. He wasn't too pleased as it has been nothing but problems since his purchase. My Norinco on the other hand has been flawless out of the box since day one. I can't say that about my friends NEA. Also the trigger on the NEA was horrible. Way to much creep and heavy. You might not be getting lifetime warranty on the Norinco but it will exceed your expectations for the price. My friend now wishes that he bought a Norinco CQ.
This is incorrect - they are designed to be 100% interchangeable.
I have been having issues with my NEA that are pretty serious issues. I think I have them all ironed out but won't know until I try it tomorrow. I do like the rifle and I know you won't find a better barrel for service life, but I sure would like to try a Norc out and compare them. I have learned a lot in the last month on AR's and would like to see what differences they have with eachother.
