Norc M4 Questions
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Zombies won't be able to tell the difference neither before or after you blow their heads off.
Now for $699, makes me want to buy another one incase of zombies...
Hmm.. Maybe another SKS. Heck, both. lol
Too bad I'm just kidding myself... but I sure wish I had tons of $$$ to blow to have more than one of each.
Hey everyone, don't forget to send Marstar a scan of your CF ID card, active or retired, as this will give you a 10% rebate.. meaning that your Norc CQ556 will come in at 629$ +tx & shipping !
Just a quick question on the receiver ext. tube : commercial or milspec ?
Just a quick question on the receiver ext. tube : commercial or milspec ?
I own both the NORC M4 and COLT AR, I have to say that COLT is a better gun (at much higher price). There is nothing wrong when it comes to mechanical part of the NORC M4, it just that the gun finish is not as good (DO NOT use strong solvent on it). One other minor issue I had was that the receiver is not level?, I used a leveling tool to check, it was off center a bit, I had to adjust my scope accordingly. Other than that, it is fun to shoot, never had a FTF issue. 1/2" group at 50 meters.
It is complete crap. The outside is crap, and inside in crap. When a gun's guts are crap, I don't buy it, especially on the AR-15 platform, where specific parts need to be of a minimum standard quality.
No I'm not crazy, I just obviously know a hell of a lot more on the AR-15 than those who bought a Norinco M4.
I have nothing more to say.
Flame me.
No I'm not crazy, I just obviously know a hell of a lot more on the AR-15 than those who bought a Norinco M4.
I have nothing more to say.
Flame me.
LOL... the ubiquitous stocking-feet-in-the-gun-#### photoWhile you're waiting, here's some gratuitous Norc ####
and feet too!
Incidently, can you see the finish on it?.....didn't think so.
Dj_Squelch
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It is complete crap. The outside is crap, and inside in crap. When a gun's guts are crap, I don't buy it, especially on the AR-15 platform, where specific parts need to be of a minimum standard quality.
No I'm not crazy, I just obviously know a hell of a lot more on the AR-15 than those who bought a Norinco M4.
I have nothing more to say.
Flame me.
It is complete crap. The outside is crap, and inside in crap. When a gun's guts are crap, I don't buy it, especially on the AR-15 platform, where specific parts need to be of a minimum standard quality.
No I'm not crazy, I just obviously know a hell of a lot more on the AR-15 than those who bought a Norinco M4.
I have nothing more to say.
Flame me.
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Troll?
Guys, if you call me a troll because I know better than you on the AR-15 platform, please... shut up.
Put me to your ignore list, it just proves what I'm saying.
The AR-15 is not like any other rifle, it is made by dozens of companies, who produced less than acceptable components over the time, even some american companies produce a crappy AR-15, but some make the effort to produce an OK AR-15, and others produce Mil-Spec Ar-15's.
If you categorize me as a troll, just because you don't know what I'm talking about, you're pretty dumb.
Guys, if you call me a troll because I know better than you on the AR-15 platform, please... shut up.
Put me to your ignore list, it just proves what I'm saying.
The AR-15 is not like any other rifle, it is made by dozens of companies, who produced less than acceptable components over the time, even some american companies produce a crappy AR-15, but some make the effort to produce an OK AR-15, and others produce Mil-Spec Ar-15's.
If you categorize me as a troll, just because you don't know what I'm talking about, you're pretty dumb.
Artiz you do know mil-spec is just a +/- spec system and means that the lowest bidder made you gear right! mil-spec mags for example are usually crapola, thats why most have chosen to go the magpul pmag route. they aren't mil-spec and they work great.
as for internals, shoot the shat out of a norc and then replace components, i own armalites and noveske lowers and uppers but i'm still getting a norc cause there cheap and it can be a loaner which you don't worry about.
as for internals, shoot the shat out of a norc and then replace components, i own armalites and noveske lowers and uppers but i'm still getting a norc cause there cheap and it can be a loaner which you don't worry about.
After about 3 dozen AR 15 builds, starting from piles of loose parts,
I am certainly no where the expert on the AR platform that ARTIZ apparently is,
but I'll add my two cents worth any how.
[;{)
When it comes to the AR rifles, the lower is NOT all that critical. Durable , reliable AR lower receivers have been made from plastic, and functional lower receivers have even been made from WOOD!!! The NORC lowers are good enough, if a bit ugly when it comes to finish. However, if you are retentively quality conscious, any good quality lower parts kit will drop into a NORC lower, adding about $ 100 - $150 to the budget. And you have all those spare NORC original bits as back up spares
AR upper receivers have been made from plastic, so the NORC alloy upper receiver should be OK for a while. The internals that fly in close formation with each other inside the upper, are generally where the AR 15 needs careful quality control. While the NORCS come with acceptable internal parts, upgrading the bolt/carrier, etc with top quality pieces might seem like a silk purse/sow's ear type of equation, but the NORC WILL take all the expensive aftermarket add ons just fine. Sort of equivalent to dropping a Porsche engine into your VW bus, but there are people who do that too.
TWO of those three dozen AR builds were on the older METRIC Norinco lower receivers, and aside from the METRIC threaded buffer tube, and metric sized hole in the receiver for the change lever, both those OLD NORCS built up into very decent ARs. I used the original NORC Metric parts where required, and dropped in a decent lower parts kit. VOILA .... two excellent good to go AR lowers at a very reasonable price.
In fact, one of these NORC builds went to probably one of the most experienced firearms freaks I know of, with genuine military experience and lots of gun gaming trophies to his name. He doesn't care what it says on the side of the receiver .... all he cares about is that it is reliable, accurate, and CHEAP!
I handled the NEW English spec M4 clones when they first came in, and even though I can build an AR that is almost as inexpensive as a NORC, I was impressed enough [ and perhaps getting a bit LAZY] with the NORC M4s to get one myself.
My personal # 1 go to AR 15 is an LMT 10.5",
so I do have some experience with the difference between a "Tier One" M4 and a NORC ...
and there definitely ARE differences.
But your average Canuckistani AR 15 poodle shootin' Zombi Hunter is never going to shoot enough to need the extra reliability or durability.
Most of us on CGN are REMF,
NOT genuine door kickers,
so why get all snobbish about brand names??
The NORC M4 is a GREAT bargain,
and probably the best way to start out in the AR game,
and to keep things in perspective,
my LMT upper alone cost about twice as much as an entire Norc M4.
And like several other people have already said in this thread,,
from a meter away, you can't see the difference.
BTDT,
saved money on the gun and bought more ammo,
LAZ 1
[;{)
I am certainly no where the expert on the AR platform that ARTIZ apparently is,
but I'll add my two cents worth any how.
[;{)
When it comes to the AR rifles, the lower is NOT all that critical. Durable , reliable AR lower receivers have been made from plastic, and functional lower receivers have even been made from WOOD!!! The NORC lowers are good enough, if a bit ugly when it comes to finish. However, if you are retentively quality conscious, any good quality lower parts kit will drop into a NORC lower, adding about $ 100 - $150 to the budget. And you have all those spare NORC original bits as back up spares
AR upper receivers have been made from plastic, so the NORC alloy upper receiver should be OK for a while. The internals that fly in close formation with each other inside the upper, are generally where the AR 15 needs careful quality control. While the NORCS come with acceptable internal parts, upgrading the bolt/carrier, etc with top quality pieces might seem like a silk purse/sow's ear type of equation, but the NORC WILL take all the expensive aftermarket add ons just fine. Sort of equivalent to dropping a Porsche engine into your VW bus, but there are people who do that too.
TWO of those three dozen AR builds were on the older METRIC Norinco lower receivers, and aside from the METRIC threaded buffer tube, and metric sized hole in the receiver for the change lever, both those OLD NORCS built up into very decent ARs. I used the original NORC Metric parts where required, and dropped in a decent lower parts kit. VOILA .... two excellent good to go AR lowers at a very reasonable price.
In fact, one of these NORC builds went to probably one of the most experienced firearms freaks I know of, with genuine military experience and lots of gun gaming trophies to his name. He doesn't care what it says on the side of the receiver .... all he cares about is that it is reliable, accurate, and CHEAP!
I handled the NEW English spec M4 clones when they first came in, and even though I can build an AR that is almost as inexpensive as a NORC, I was impressed enough [ and perhaps getting a bit LAZY] with the NORC M4s to get one myself.
My personal # 1 go to AR 15 is an LMT 10.5",
so I do have some experience with the difference between a "Tier One" M4 and a NORC ...
and there definitely ARE differences.
But your average Canuckistani AR 15 poodle shootin' Zombi Hunter is never going to shoot enough to need the extra reliability or durability.
Most of us on CGN are REMF,
NOT genuine door kickers,
so why get all snobbish about brand names??
The NORC M4 is a GREAT bargain,
and probably the best way to start out in the AR game,
and to keep things in perspective,
my LMT upper alone cost about twice as much as an entire Norc M4.
And like several other people have already said in this thread,,
from a meter away, you can't see the difference.
BTDT,
saved money on the gun and bought more ammo,
LAZ 1
[;{)
whenindoubtfixit
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Thanks for the link....
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OK, what, and be precise (just garbage is too vague and 'inside' and 'outside' is also too vague - most of us know what the parts are called) is wrong in your opinion with the Norc M4. I'm curious mostly because some time ago a member here did a comparison based on ARF's AR chart and the Norc was slightly ahead of several well known brands, on top of that Walt at ArmsEast described the finish as poor, but the rifle as very serviceable. Given that he makes a living with the AR I'd consider his opinion over some guy who claims to be an expert on the internet. I know that mine works perfectly and is free from several common defects that afflict some US made AR's. So, enlighten me.
skinnadoor
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- BC, Canada
I have absolutly zero issues buying a norinco product, they are excellent. Yes, they are clones, but who the hell cares??? They are well made "now a days" and for $699, damn...We don't have second ammendment rights, but we damn sure got the norc M4.
Mil-spec isn't a +/- system with the AR-15.
The standards are well known and anybody can find them with a bit of google time.
I still won't buy a Norinco "M4".
Lazerus, we both know what the differences are, and I'm not buying AR-15 stuff that is not going to give me that extra reliability and durability. It's that simple, I want the best, but it's not going to cost two thousand bucks, much less than that.
Some pretty childish people around here...
