Norc Shorty M305 - Upgrades to improve accuracy at longer ranges

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Decided to check in with the knowledgable folks in this forum for some hints and priorities for upgrading and making my Norc Shorty M305 a little more accurate.
I am planning on using this rifle as a medium to long(ish) range DMR type platform. (100 - 300 yards)

If you have any insights as to what would be a good list of top priorities for me to start upgrading I would love to hear your suggestions!
I have a bit of a list started but I am interested to see what others feel are the best parts to start upgrading.

thanks in advance!
 
im hoping to get 100-500 yards out of mine with reloads. Heres what Im doin' for what its worth.

picked up a unitized gas system
dlask gas nut + remove flash hider.
didnt need shims on the gas cylinder
bed it
send it to casey @ tac ord for a trigger job.

oh yeah usgi stock
 
I bought a black feather.
I replaced oprod, oprod spring and guide.
I replaced the cylinder and shimed
I replaced the trigger spring
Waiting for a good brake.
RELOADING...
 
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First thing I would buy is reloading setup.
Handloads WILL make a difference.
A good working over to straighten out and tighten things up costs nothing, and who knows, you may have a decent shooter out of the box.
A lot of the upgrades might be nice but theyre not necessary.
Mine is regularly getting 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 moa with its favorite load, if Im doing my part.
I did cave in and get an op rod guide from Frank, don't know if it shoots any better but it looks tidier than that old slinky that used to be in there.
Have fun setting it up :)

As for the trigger job....take the trigger group out and just dry fire the thing about a million times while your watching a hockey game, or FMJ if you want a tactical feel LOL
 
Thanks for all the suggestion guys!
And yes I do realize that switching to hand loads is probably going to make the most noticeable difference right away, but I was looking specifically if there were any mods to the rifle itself that would present good "bang for buck" in terms of improving accuracy.

I have stripped the rifle right down and made sure everything is good and tight, and so far it has actually been shooting quite well for what is essentially a stock norc.

I think my first couple of purchases will be some USGI springs and probably an op rod guide from m14.ca

after that probably a better muzzle break and potentially a new trigger group or tuning.

Thanks again for all the thoughts gents! Much appreciated!
 
Make the hole in your rear sight smaller,and slightly thin the front sight.I can easly hit at 375 yards every time with norinco ammo,I have shot some reloads,tighter groups for sure.Keep it cleaned and lubed with 630 lubriplate grease,I add a little moly to my grease.
 
The best way to improve accuracy is to get a USGI fibreglass stock, spring guide rod, and handload your own ammo. You can tighten the gas system and op rod guide as well, which is free to do. Make sure you get grease in the right spots, like behind the lugs, and you theoretically should get any m305 to 2 inches or less.

$400 for the gun, $125.00 for the stock, $40.00 for the guide rod, and some grease. You'll want to get a scope mount, which is anywhere from $50.00 to $400.00, but you're playing with probably a 1.5 inch gun for under $1000.00

Sell that piece of #### if it doesn't do less than 2 inches though
 
Attend an M14doctor (whoops, 45acpking is his name now) clinic out west if you can, or come to mine in Calgary, Wainwright, Peace River, Dundurn, SK or Squamish, BC....

PM me for more information on how to ensure yer #### don't fall off! :)

Cheers,
Barney :cool:
 
Attend an M14doctor (whoops, 45acpking is his name now) clinic out west if you can, or come to mine in Calgary, Wainwright, Peace River, Dundurn, SK or Squamish, BC....

PM me for more information on how to ensure yer #### don't fall off! :)

Cheers,
Barney :cool:

Funny you should mention that hehehe
Clinic in roughly 3 weeks in surrey ;)
Details haven't been posted yet.
 
what are the specs on this gun? like overall length, weight, is it restricted in canada, is there a bullpup conversion kit?
It is very heavy 15-17 lbs
The m14 s are long and the m305 are shorter
It is restricted to qualified users, contact Hungary.
Bullpups? Please refers to the firearms/criminal codes.

Thank-you
 
Make the hole in your rear sight smaller,and slightly thin the front sight.I can easly hit at 375 yards every time with norinco ammo,I have shot some reloads,tighter groups for sure.Keep it cleaned and lubed with 630 lubriplate grease,I add a little moly to my grease.

Improvements to my iron sights Norc consisted of (in no particular order) a 1907 sling, Marstar op rod spring guide, Italian rear sight knobs, two Hungry clinics, reloading gear, and a bit of load development. Hitting Herman the Germans at 400 is a blast...
 
Tighten up the rifle to do away with negative attributes that have an effect on barrel harmonics.
We talk about these all the time
Gas cylinder unitizing (not for Troy, sage or blackfeather chassis equiped rifles). This eliminates gas band shifting under recoil and consistant ferrule lip location. Making the band and cylinder ONE PART instead of two has been shown to positively effect barrel harmonics.

"NM conditioning" barrel's gas cylinder and flash hider splineways. TOP splineway only, peening the edges inwards for tighter parts fitment and this eliminates any rotational play. Again, these simple mods are eliminating any negative effect/vibration under recoil.... Improving harmonics

The oprod guide, same deal, peen the barrel's oprod guide location surface and apply loctite and once put back together, align oprod tube center with gas PISTON center. This step eliminates rotational play of oprod.
Tightening the oprod guide serves several purposes.
- increses oprod tab life as oprod doesn't "rattle" around as much
-causes parts to move together in a consistant path, maintained by the oprod guide. Striking piston same way and place every time.
Once again, the more consistant the path is that the bolt, piston and oprod move together in and out of battery... The more consistant barrel harmonics will be which leads to improved consistancy in accuracy down range. Regardless of barrel length and load. The above applies to the platform in general.
Oprod spring guide, keep spring straight under compression , eliminating side play pressure on the oprod as the spring compresses... A no brainer and cheap upgrade.

Last two things.... Trigger and stock fit.
Address the above and you will see dramatic results in the consistancy of your groups. Once those groups are analyzed... You decide if the barrel is accurate enough as you should be seeing it's accuracy potential when the mods above are done. Reloading, for those that do it, should be done before tearing down and tossing a barrel that isn't grouping as tight as you like ;)

So in short
Address the parts that have an effect on barrel harmonics
Address stock fit
Address trigger
Find the load the barrel likes at the desired range

What you decide for sights , mounts, optics is all secondary to dialing the rifle in.
For irons though, quality rears with springfield armory inc BUSH RIFLE front sight is the best set up.
 
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I replaced the Op rod guide that was it. Works fine the way it came why change it... 2 inch groups at 250 yards good enough.

I found my reloads made the biggest difference did differen't loads to see how it would shoot.

I did adjust everything since everything wanted to basicly fall off the rife when I got it had to take it apart 3 times to get it just right. (I took it completely apart and adjusted everything)
 
I see so many guys preaching the idea that skipping the steps I detailed and going straight to reloading is the way to get the accuracy but I completely disagree.
fine tuning the rifle first "sets the stage" and gives you a "stable platform" to begin your load development.
you will never see the true potential of your reloaded ammo from a rack grade m14/m1a/m305/lrb/sei....... what ever brand you choose
dial in the rifle..... then spend some time dialing in your ammo.

shooting out to 600 and reliably and consistently achieving groups that make you smile is not such a complicated and costly adventure as some would make you believe
but tune her first, develop loads second
and yes.... that's just my opinion and not trying to start debate hehehe
 
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