Norcinco M-14 Clarification on .308 and 7.62x51 Please

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Hi Y'all

Could someone please let me know if I can use either .308 or 7.62x51 in my Norinco M14 or just .308?

It's a 2006 and is etched in as M-14 .308 Norinco Made in China C JA SFLD, MI.

Thank you
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Hi Y'all

Could someone please let me know if I can use either .308 or 7.62x51 in my Norinco M14 or just .308?

It's a 2006 and is etched in as M-14 .308 Norinco Made in China C JA SFLD, MI.

Thank you
:)

.308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO are for all intents and purposes exactly the same. They are fully interchangeable. Be careful of using loads with bullets heavier then 168gr. The M14 should use bullets equal to or lighten than 168gr.
 
Commercial .308 will be just fine. If you reload make sure you use a powder in the H4895 IMR4895 range. Varget is OK also though some may disagree. Nothing slower than 4064. Load lower than what you would for a bolt gun.
 
The only thing you need to watch out for is if you drop a replacement bolt in and get a tight .308 chamber.

Mine is 1.630 on the nose and surplus (7.62)will not fit. The .308 that I have measure averaged about 1.627.
 
Commercial .308 is more prone to slam fires because of soft primers. If you intend to reload for military semi auto rifles, be sure to use military hard primers such as CCI #41. That said, I've used commercial .308 in my M305, 40 rounds, and never had a slam fire.
 
An important consideration to keep in mind is that the M14/M305 rifles were originally designed to fire a bullet weighing around 150 grains, which leaves behind it the optimal pressures to cycle the action as it passes down the barrel.

Heavier bullets like the 180 grain soft points that are most common at hardware and sporting goods stores in Eastern Canada generally use slower burning powders to start those bullets down the barrel without creating dangerous pressures upon ignition. A consequence of that is that they produce higher pressures as the bullet passes further down the barrel, which results in the action being cycled more violently than would be the case with the faster burning powders. That could eventually wear down the op rod, which is no longer an inexpensive part to replace.

The easiest solution is to stick to lighter bullets, though hunting bullets under 180 grains aren't always the easiest to find in some parts of the country, so stocking up on a few boxes of soft point ammo might be prudent for the hunter. Also, in a pinch, one could simply shut off the gas valve and use the rifle as a bolt action to safely use the heavier bullets. In the past, there have been specially designed gas system plugs/nuts (not sure of the part name) that could be installed on the M14/M1A to bleed off some of the pressure when firing heavy bullets, but I don't know if they were adaptable to the metric threads used in the Norinco clones.

I hope that sheds further light upon the matter at hand.
 
Make sure the thing is GREASED in the places ordered by the military Manual. This is very important for the longevity of the parts.

The M-14 has a self-regulating Gas Piston. It will work fine with any ammunition approximating the military loads, which had bullets from 145 through to 173 grains in weight.

IMR-4895 was and remains the specified extruded powder for loading the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge. It works fine with all recommended bullet weights and can prove to be quite shockingly accurate.

A hint for your M-14: the rear sight is the same as a Garand; it adjusts horizontally in 1-minute clicks. Your front sight is 4 minutes wide. You can put the rear sight 2 clicks out and aim with the CORNER of the front sight. MUCH more accurate. Get the rifle shooting right, use this sighting and forget about a scope: you won't need one. Serious.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi Smellie
Your idea of aiming off and using the corner of the front blade is intriguing. I have done a lot of open sight shooting and never thought or come across that. By golly I am going to try it.

(- are you sure the front sight is 4 MOA across? Isn't that approx 4 inches at 100 yards?
I am just remembering the front sight blade on a .303, which was 6 inches across at 100 yards and the one on my M14 Norinco
looks much wider than than my SMLE....)
 
165 gr works the best out to 600 I found but really liked around 300.


.308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO are for all intents and purposes exactly the same. They are fully interchangeable. Be careful of using loads with bullets heavier then 168gr. The M14 should use bullets equal to or lighten than 168gr.
 
My norinco m14s wouldn't take the commercial .308win i bought.

Curious! Care to tell us more. What do you mean by "wouldn't take"? What ammo was it you bought? I assume that you have successfully shot 7.62 Nato out of your gun.

Mine have seen mostly 7.62Nato with small amounts of Winchester and Remington .308 147/150Gr. FMJ loads. I am going to try (in the future) the Federal blue box 150Gr. SP load for deer hunting. Can't see why it wouldn't work.
 
Federal primers are the really soft ones.

Seating depth of primers is very important when reloading.

And 25 years ago I loaded all of my surplus Win brass with federal primers and my TRW ate it fine. I was not aware of the slam fire phenomenon at that time but I always took my time loading, full length sized, cleaned pockets, seated primers fully and watched the OAL. I think using CCI primers is good advice.
 
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