Norinco 1897 won't feed

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I bought a used Norinco 1897 on EE. Looks hardly used.

Maybe because it is defective?

I shot it on the weekend. I was testing a bunch of shotguns with slugs at 50 yards. I think I used the magazine to load the 3 round test, but cannot be sure.

Today I decided to fill the mag. I was curious to see how many rounds it will hold. But whjen I tried to cycle the action, to unload it, I ran into a problem. The bottom platform does not drop down far enough to let the new round insert all the way onto the platform. The new round hits the end of the platform. It looks like it has to drop down at least another quarter inch.

Any gurus out there who can guess what is going on? I think it was feeding ok a couple of days ago.
 
I'll help with pictures if I can, I have a Polytech and a Winny.

Make sure your shell extractor isn't coming out of the bolt and jamming on the ejection port. Do this before you beat the hell out of it. It can protrude and stop the bolt's reward travel.
 
This is what it look like with the slide back as far as it will go. I cannot tell if it is supposed to go back another 3/4" or not. The platform does not drop open far enough. The new round pops out and hits the end of the platform.

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Okay top picture is with the slide all the way back, the carrier drops down significantly lower.

Middle picture is ejection port side with slide all the way back. Note how the extractor goes behind, (left), of the ejection port by about 3/16".

Bottom picture is where the action would stop if the extractor gets hung up on the ejection port. Note how the carrier seems similarly positioned to your picture. I think this is the issue, if it is, I don't know how to fix it but I know a guy I can get you in contact with. If it isn't you have another problem.

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Also to anyone new to the 1897, make sure you always wear glasses when shooting. I was shooting with a guy facing into a headwind and when he racked the pump, he got some hot smoke blown in his eye through the bolt hole. Open the action with the shotgun shouldered and point the barrel at a light and you can see right up into the barrel.
 
Just glad to be able to help someone who's given so much to the community. Now that I know this is the problem, I know a guy who fixed this for a friend. I'll ask what he did.
 
We had one with the same ejector issue. You need to take the ejector out and file it just a little where the plunger sits so the plunger will come forward another 20 thousands onto the ejector and this should solve your problem. In order to remove the ejector just take a small screwdriver and push the plunger back into the bolt (be careful as the plunger and spring will pop out). File the ejector on the face where the plunger pushes against it and it won't take much. If you don't file quite enough you can always do a bit more and remember it's better to not take off enough the first time and have to do this twice than to remove too much the first time around.
 
I had one of those Norc 1897's for awhile. On the first test run at the range it would not eject properly. The extractor claw was missing. I found the spring on the ground, but no extractor claw. I took it back to the shop I got it from and they replaced it with an original Winchester part and it work properly from then on. I've since sold it and haven't heard if the new owner had any problems with it. I did disclose this to the new owner, so he knows what to look out for. The original shop wasn't all that surprised, said it may have even come that way from the factory. Keep an eye on the claw!
 
Ken: Thanks for the directions.

I get scared working on spring-loaded parts. There are about 7 parts hiding in my shop that got launched and were never seen since.

I will take it apart and follow your directions.

Edit: Done! The pin pushes back and the extractor wiggles right out. It is soft steel, so it was easy to cut the notch a little deeper. Now the pin holds the extractor firmly in place.

Thanks guys.
 
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