Norinco 1911 Accuracy issues - Update

About 100 rounds through it. My last group was actually 2" high and 2" wide at 10 yards from a bench. Better than most of my groups but still would like a tad better.

I ordered a new bushing from marstar. we'll see if that helps.

My next 1911 will be American made lol
 
I've shot a few of the government contract, unmarked, all forged batch of 1911A1s that CanadaAmmo sold a few years ago and they were all very good shooters. Just about unbreakable, too.
 
JR86 said:
About 100 rounds through it. My last group was actually 2" high and 2" wide at 10 yards from a bench. Better than most of my groups but still would like a tad better.

I ordered a new bushing from marstar. we'll see if that helps.

My next 1911 will be American made lol
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Have you shot other 1911s? If not, try shooting your bud's, or make friends with guys at the range. Typical shooters are more than happy to let you try their guns.

I would be happy to shoot 2 inch 10 yd groups, honestly. John Moses Browning designed the 1911 as a combat service pistol, not a target match pistol. The 1911 could certainly be made more accurate, but not for 400 bucks.

I have had two Gold Cups that did much worse groups. One was brand new, the other had hundreds of rounds when I got them. Couldn't shoot them well.

Previous posters mentioned the gun shot better after 500 rds. An inexpensive mass produced gun whose parts are not carefully fitted by expert gunsmiths need some time to break-in properly. Clean and lube the pistol before your next outing. The trigger will definitely improve after 500 rounds, and the 1911 trigger is a major source of accuracy or inaccuracy. Also, you will shoot better after 500 rds. Assuming you got the basic skills right, with all due respect.

Practice, proper practice, makes us all better shooters. I suggest dry firing your Norkie a hundred times at the range, even before you fire your first live round. Bet your groups witll improve noticeably.

Often I blame the gun or the ammo, but most of the time, the problem is me. With pistol shooting, patience is a virtue.

Shooting is easy to learn but takes a lifetime to master.
 
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Unfortunately, a 1911 busing is not a drop in item (almost nothing except a mag or grips are on a 1911). Bushings need fitting to the slide and to the barrel and are pne of the more complicated items to fit correctly.

I own 3 norc 1911's in 45acp and all are capable of 2.5-3" at 25 yards. I've shot a few that weren't mine and they displayed the same accuracy. I'd have someone that shoots 1911's well try it out.
 
marlin58 said:
I've said it before throw those things away and buy a real gun
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A loose barrel bushing fit will change POI on every shot. Sounds like you have that underway to be addressed. Check the crown for any irregularities, and lockup is good and tight. There is nothing inherently wrong with 99% of norinco 1911's, just a bit crude and sloppy. Mine shoots as good or better than my S&W 1911 after some fitting and parts upgrades, and neither are even close to my Nighthawk, but if I was out in the mud and filth, I'd rather the loose nork that I can strip with my bare hands in seconds, and would likely run if you dug it out of a sandbox. They all have their place, but haters gonna hate.
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Ganderite said:
I have several Norc 1911s. The 45's have had excellent accuracy out of the box.

The 9mms have had poorly fitted barrels that needed to be replaced.

My 45s got trigger jobs and better sights.

20 yards - 2 hands
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Is your 1911 a modern Sport model, or those no name cheapos? I find the clean slide ones less accurate.
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Tight group....hand loads?
 
Guess I ll just keep it and see if it gets better over time. New bushing is ordered and I ll try making some different hand loads to improve accuracy.

Gun store was willing to work with me which is good of them though
 
peacemaker56 said:
using those numbers your bushing has 0.0342" clearance to barrel , , that's 34 thou , thats alot of clearance .
I bought one of thsoe old norc 1911a1 with no other markings and had a 7 thou clearance on the bushing, thing shot terrible , put a egw angle bushing fitted to 0.0015 clearance , made a huge difference in groups but then shot about 2" low ,

Double check your measurements , cant believe they are out that far
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First upgrade I make on sloppy 1911's is a properly custom cut angle bushing from EGW...and replace all springs with known quality like Wolff etc, lighter mainspring, tune the sear spring, variable power recoil spring.
That's usually enough to get it to acceptable standards.
 
Smcx said:
Unfortunately, a 1911 busing is not a drop in item (almost nothing except a mag or grips are on a 1911). Bushings need fitting to the slide and to the barrel and are pne of the more complicated items to fit correctly.

I own 3 norc 1911's in 45acp and all are capable of 2.5-3" at 25 yards. I've shot a few that weren't mine and they displayed the same accuracy. I'd have someone that shoots 1911's well try it out.
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He has all the measurements, EGW will custom cut a bushing for him that will be a tight drop in fit....
 
Yesterday I loaded up about 1500 rounds of 45ACP for my pistols. Each gun has been tested to see which bullet and powder charge gets the best results. I loaded 3 different bullets (all cast lead bullets from DRG) 175 SWC (3 powder charges), 200 SWC (2 powder charges) and 225FP (2 powder charges).

I shot 2 of each load through the same 1911 - one of those no-name cheap Norcs. It has a trigger job and new sights. I was not trying to shoot a group, but I put up a target so that I had an aiming mark so the bullets would pass over the Chrony at about the same place.

I was surprised how good the group was, considering the range of weights of bullets and powder charges (mild to stiff). The two bottom holes are made with the 225FP. They punch a smaller hole than the SWC.

Looks like I should drift the rear sight to the right a CH.

Also shot a new 22 on the target.

7 loads - 14 shots
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