Norinco 1911 Government Model + 1000 rds Combo Deal $499-

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GuiltySpark said:
Originally I was not going to partake in this deal after i heard about supposed 2 month waiting periods however I decided I needed 1000 rounds and it was okay to wait 2 months.
I ordered about a week ago and I should be getting my ammo tomorrow.
1 week turn around is a lot better than 2 months.

I may order another 1000 rounds.
I still think anyone who uses Chinese equipment hates freedom and I'm going to give my 1911 to the first kid on the block I see.
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I am not far from you, can be on your block anytime, just let me know when you get it and I will be there. ;);)
 
Ordered back in April, but didn't have my RPAL or range membership yet. Just got all my stuff together and let canam know, they had the transfer to the RCMP an hour later. Had my pistol in a week. No complaints either. Just fired 150 rounds with no failures, trigger pull is surprisingly (at least to me) light with no creep that I can tell. Ran into a guy at the range with one of these and he had to get his trigger worked on to lighten it up and mine still feels better, to both of us. Only issue is it hits about 5inches to the left at 20 yards. Can I drift the rear sight? Do I need to soak in oil or anything first? Thinking about how to sneak another combo past the wife. :p
 
Do what I did and get her to do the rpal course, so she can play too! Once they try it, they will come back for more and wont mind so much when you spend the new flooring money on guns and ammo! And safes and ammo and cleaning gear and ammo and trigger locks and ammo and reloading gear to make ammo! ;0)
 
bobdbldr said:
Do what I did and get her to do the rpal course, so she can play too! Once they try it, they will come back for more and wont mind so much when you spend the new flooring money on guns and ammo! And safes and ammo and cleaning gear and ammo and trigger locks and ammo and reloading gear to make ammo! ;0)
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She already has her RPAL, but I think she's catching wise to those techniques for getting more guns and ammo. That's how I got another crate of 7.62x39 this year. I already have the reloading gear, so I tell about all the money I'm "saving" by making my own.
 
I got other questions for the 1911 owners:

Did anyone ever shot both the government and the commander (5in vs 4.25in barrel)? how do they compare to each other as far as accuracy, reliability, upgradability, and overall feeling?
I read a lot of complaint regarding 1911's with shorter than 5in barrel, as some say that since original design was 5 in, and that changing that overall design leads to cycling, shooting, loading... problems. Is it true, and particularly, how is it with the Norinco?

And comparing the original one with the police model with all the factory upgrades already installed, do you see any difference or it is only some tacticool parts. How do these parts compare to wilson combat or other aftermarket parts? Will I want to change these parts anyway, or they will be good enough for competing in IPSC at an amateur-novice level?

What I really want to know is that since I already bought the 500$ government package deal, which I intend to keep in the stock configuration, I'm debating wether or not if I should buy a second one to upgrade it or if I should get the factory enhanced instead (police or sport model) with all the parts already installed. Considering this one costs 170$ when deducting the ammo cost, and a factory enhanced model is 350$, do the other one have 180$ worth of goodies, or I better keep the extra money and buy higher quality parts? I would have liked to buy the police package canam sells for 600$, which brings the gun cost to 270$, but they only have the compact length in stcok (which I assume is the same as the commander), so this is why I'm asking for your opinion on the 4.25 barrel, but maybe someone can tell me if the commander is best anyway, so no need to wait for them to get the government police back in stock!

Thanks to everyone!
 
gunnuts said:
I got other questions for the 1911 owners:

Did anyone ever shot both the government and the commander (5in vs 4.25in barrel)? how do they compare to each other as far as accuracy, reliability, upgradability, and overall feeling?
I read a lot of complaint regarding 1911's with shorter than 5in barrel, as some say that since original design was 5 in, and that changing that overall design leads to cycling, shooting, loading... problems. Is it true, and particularly, how is it with the Norinco?

And comparing the original one with the police model with all the factory upgrades already installed, do you see any difference or it is only some tacticool parts. How do these parts compare to wilson combat or other aftermarket parts? Will I want to change these parts anyway, or they will be good enough for competing in IPSC at an amateur-novice level?

What I really want to know is that since I already bought the 500$ government package deal, which I intend to keep in the stock configuration, I'm debating wether or not if I should buy a second one to upgrade it or if I should get the factory enhanced instead (police or sport model) with all the parts already installed. Considering this one costs 170$ when deducting the ammo cost, and a factory enhanced model is 350$, do the other one have 180$ worth of goodies, or I better keep the extra money and buy higher quality parts? I would have liked to buy the police package canam sells for 600$, which brings the gun cost to 270$, but they only have the compact length in stcok (which I assume is the same as the commander), so this is why I'm asking for your opinion on the 4.25 barrel, but maybe someone can tell me if the commander is best anyway, so no need to wait for them to get the government police back in stock!

Thanks to everyone!
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My experience with the Norinco Commander is that it works as well as the 5".

The extra length of the gov't might help sight radius accuracy, in theory. In my experience the main thing is a trigger job and better sights.

I have the Police model and the CanAm. With a trigger job and better sights, either would handle beginner level competition just fine.
 
I called Canada Ammo last week to ask about something else and asked how many of these they originally got in and was told roughly 2500. About 500 left when I called. I would have thought there would be more than 2000 sold by now.
Kristian
 
So, I just found out that the CFO may not allow me to purchase until my 3 months probation at the gun club is up. I need a handgun to gain the range time experience, yet they won't let me buy a pistol to earn that experience? I don't see the logic. Perhaps I can borrow one.

I hope Canada Ammo will hold my order if the CFO has an issue with this. I really want this gun!
 
Zircarg said:
So, I just found out that the CFO may not allow me to purchase until my 3 months probation at the gun club is up. I need a handgun to gain the range time experience, yet they won't let me buy a pistol to earn that experience? I don't see the logic. Perhaps I can borrow one.

I hope Canada Ammo will hold my order if the CFO has an issue with this. I really want this gun!
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What gun club gives you a 3 month probation?!
 
Zircarg said:
So, I just found out that the CFO may not allow me to purchase until my 3 months probation at the gun club is up. I need a handgun to gain the range time experience, yet they won't let me buy a pistol to earn that experience? I don't see the logic. Perhaps I can borrow one.

I hope Canada Ammo will hold my order if the CFO has an issue with this. I really want this gun!
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Shouldn't be an issue in Nova Scotia I got my first restricted when I was still on probation at a gun club.... All they need to see is proof that you are a member so if you have a probationary card fax it off to the CFO and you will be good Togo!
 
Thanks @Mwhite, that's just what I needed to hear.

Yes, my club is the Atlantic Marksmen Association in Dartmouth. I went through their 3.5 hour range training session last weekend and am supposed to receive my probationary card this week. I assume that the CFO will be asking for proof of this at some point soon.

I was cautioned by someone at the club that I should buy a 22 cal to start and I was going to go for the GSG 1911 model because I was told the ammo cost would otherwise be outrageous. However, with the Canada Ammo deal I figured this would be a good way to go (and I really wanted a 45 anyway). My deceased grandfather had an old reloading kit that's currently stashed away in my dad's house in NB and I'm going to collect it this weekend. If I can get the right die and the press is still functional, I'll reload my 45 cartridges as well as those for my 308 and the shells for my 12 gauge. That's my plan anyway.
 
Zircarg said:
Thanks @Mwhite, that's just what I needed to hear.

Yes, my club is the Atlantic Marksmen Association in Dartmouth. I went through their 3.5 hour range training session last weekend and am supposed to receive my probationary card this week. I assume that the CFO will be asking for proof of this at some point soon.

I was cautioned by someone at the club that I should buy a 22 cal to start and I was going to go for the GSG 1911 model because I was told the ammo cost would otherwise be outrageous. However, with the Canada Ammo deal I figured this would be a good way to go (and I really wanted a 45 anyway). My deceased grandfather had an old reloading kit that's currently stashed away in my dad's house in NB and I'm going to collect it this weekend. If I can get the right die and the press is still functional, I'll reload my 45 cartridges as well as those for my 308 and the shells for my 12 gauge. That's my plan anyway.
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I have one of these combos myself shoots pretty good no major complaints, I still need to get my application in for AMA but a buddy of mine is a member so if you wanted to give a try befor buying am sure something can be arranged.
 
Bought the 499 deal, ammo seems fine thus far, when I first shot the gun I gave it a light cleaning, oiled it and test fired, I was getting stove-piping on each round and heavy restriction between the slide and frame. So back home stripped the gun down completely washed all the residual grease out of the slide and frame. Washed all the small parts in a solvent bath. Fined tuned the trigger, hammer, sear and disconnector. Reassembled THSD with Moly Grease. Trigger pull using original parts averaged 3.9 lbs on ten measurements. The Gun cycles cleanly and consistently with the original spring on the Norinco ammo. I will install a lighter recoil spring for my match rounds to try them out of curiosity although I won't be using the Norinco for matches. All in all a great basic 1911 Government build that needed fine tuning for consistently. The main reason for the restriction seemed to be the disconnector it was very rough and out of spec so it was re-sized and refitted it required the most work to fine tune. The original trigger felt stiff and inconsistent now it is smooth and breaks cleanly. I will be preparing to install a Wilson combat hammer, sear and disconnector in the future as I expect these original parts will have a short lifespan. Brown-ell's has some of the Wilson parts on sale right now so they are pretty reasonable for good quality parts.

If you want a project gun that is well priced say Nín hǎo to the Norinco 1911 Government.
 
I installed a wilson combat econo hammer and sear, mated with a wilson beavertail grip safety,dlask trigger and 15lb hammer spring. it required some minor fitting for the beavertail safety and a little filing on the trigger so it did not bind in the frame. Smooth as silk now and a great trigger pull i would guess around 4lbs. all for about $100. Next is a STI tactical thumb safety (fitting required). great gun and worth the Mods. oh yeah other than the trigger I got the parts from Brownells.
 
I just got the gun and ammo delivered today, thanks CanAm for the fast shipping.

I need some advice and or pointers urgently.

1) I noticed that the slide has a lot of resistance. It sticking in 1-2 distinct places as I pull it back. When I field strip, it takes a bit of effort to get the slide off the frame. Lots of resistant in the area not sure why.

2) One of the reason for the sticking, I suspect is where the front of slide meets up with the frame. When I look at the front of the gun, there is minimal gap on one side and around 1mm of gap on the other where the slide meets the frame. There seems to be a misalignment between the slide and the frame.

3) I haven't shot it yet and I am dunno if I should either hope that running half a box will at least have the gun grind steel on steel out the rough parts that may be catching.

4) Send it back to CanAm because the problems above?

Also had the same problem with FRANK'S, the grip's arrived broken but thankfully there was another set in the box.
 
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t3dd13 said:
1) I noticed that the slide has a lot of resistance. It sticking in 1-2 distinct places as I pull it back. When I field strip, it takes a bit of effort to get the slide off the frame. Lots of resistant in the area not sure why.

2) One of the reason for the sticking, I suspect is where the front of slide meets up with the frame. When I look at the front of the gun, there is minimal gap on one side and around 1mm of gap on the other where the slide meets the frame. There seems to be a misalignment between the slide and the frame.
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Silly question - but when you stripped it, you gave a very good, thorough cleaning??? Like I'm talking soaking it, rubbing it down, etc... It took me about 2 hours to clean mine that just arrived today... The packing grease was incredibly nasty and pulling back the slide the first time to strip it was impossible until I soaked in in break-free...
 
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