Norinco 1911 without any norinco markings or Made in China

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Hi Guys,

I understand that there was a post floating around a little while ago on here but I can't find it anymore. So i just picked up a Norinco 1911A1 in .45 that was part of a package that Canadian Ammo had a while ago with the gun and ammo. The Seller assured me that it was a Chinese model but there is not the typical norinco insignia on the slide and the frame is not marked "made in China". Now from the research I have found they were manufactured in both China and Turkey, the Turkish ones are supposed to be junk for two reasons the first being they are not made with the recycled railroad tracks that the Chinese ones are so it is much softer frame metal, and secondly they were manufactured to a old Springfield arms speck which is a slightly wider frame so many of your easily accessible parts will not fit. I have read posts that say they are from a cancelled military contract but no one says where they were manufactured, apparently these are highly sought after norincos but I'm not sure if that is because of the frame metallurgy or just because they aren't stamped with the ugly norinco logos.

My Question is does anyone know where these were made? Or what measurements I should take of the frame to verify it is the newer spec so parts will fit when I start ordering them?

If it helps these are apparently all in the 900000 serial numbers to about 910000. Is there anywhere that can tell me where this gun was made by serial number? The only markings on my gun are the serial number on the right side of the frame and 1911A1 .45 on the slide on the left side.

Please Help.
 
I have several of them. Guys who bought the package for the ammo sold the guns for $250.

They are an older model Norinco. The finish quality is not as high as newer Norcs.

If they were made for a contract, it would not surprise me if the poor finish was why the deal fell through.

I have replaced triggers and sights and grips on mine and had no problem using Colt parts.

With a trigger job, they shoot well.

I converted one to 460 Rowland and another to 7.62x25 and both a great guns.
 
J_flyer said:
Hi Guys,

I understand that there was a post floating around a little while ago on here but I can't find it anymore. So i just picked up a Norinco 1911A1 in .45 that was part of a package that Canadian Ammo had a while ago with the gun and ammo. The Seller assured me that it was a Chinese model but there is not the typical norinco insignia on the slide and the frame is not marked "made in China". Now from the research I have found they were manufactured in both China and Turkey, the Turkish ones are supposed to be junk for two reasons the first being they are not made with the recycled railroad tracks that the Chinese ones are so it is much softer frame metal, and secondly they were manufactured to a old Springfield arms speck which is a slightly wider frame so many of your easily accessible parts will not fit. I have read posts that say they are from a cancelled military contract but no one says where they were manufactured, apparently these are highly sought after norincos but I'm not sure if that is because of the frame metallurgy or just because they aren't stamped with the ugly norinco logos.

My Question is does anyone know where these were made? Or what measurements I should take of the frame to verify it is the newer spec so parts will fit when I start ordering them?

If it helps these are apparently all in the 900000 serial numbers to about 910000. Is there anywhere that can tell me where this gun was made by serial number? The only markings on my gun are the serial number on the right side of the frame and 1911A1 .45 on the slide on the left side.

Please Help.
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Its a Norinco, i dont think there is any way to find out any liniage on Norinco's.
as for fitting or parts its a 1911 - all parts need/should be fitted to them and ive never had any problems adding parts to my Norc's.

you seem very concerned about a gun that is and has been the cheapest gun on the market for years.
shoot it till it dies then buy a new one (if it is possible to even kill a Norc!!!!)

ive got 4 and they are indestructible as far as i can tell (one is the same batch that you have, one like Ganderite i converted into a 460Rowland)
 
I've got a couple of them. Fit and finish is pretty darn good. The rumour I heard, was not of them being made from old railroad tracks, but of the steel from defunct nuclear reactors.
No need to install night sights on these beauties, the whole slide glows in the dark.
 
This is the Rowland conversion. Clark Guns specifies that some makes have the frame strength for this and some don't. Norinco is listed as a good candidate for conversion.

A nice gun to shoot.

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a lot of gunsmiths will not touch Norinco 1911's because the metal is too tuff.
they wear out their tools and such too fast working on them.

i can believe that.
 
I owned one for a while.
My observations after completely stripping it down and shooting the hell out of it are:

-The finish and machining on them are actually quite good where it matters.
-Slide to frame fit on the old "unmarked" ones is very tight.
-All parts are 100% milled solid steel and hard as f**k. Very good quality steel.
-Any 1911A1 standard mil spec parts will fit them EXCEPT grip screws because the Norc grip bushings are threaded for a different pitch!
-They are accurate. I out shot my friends Sig Spartan 1911 using the same Federal ammo.
-Other "high end" 1911 magazines will work in your Norinco but Norc Mags will not work in many other 1911 models.
-Mine passed the 10-8 1911 extractor test with ease. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=429061
-It cost me $270 on the EE

You can't go wrong with a Norc 1911 Sir :rockOn: Brace yourself for anti Norc bashers. Not all Norinco guns are created equal, this is true. Especially true of the better made Norc 1911's; they're actually created equal to and better than many a much more expensive hand gun.
 
Travis Bickle said:
I owned one for a while.
My observations after completely stripping it down and shooting the hell out of it are:

-The finish and machining on them are actually quite good where it matters.
-Slide to frame fit on the old "unmarked" ones is very tight.
-All parts are 100% milled solid steel and hard as f**k. Very good quality steel.
-Any 1911A1 standard mil spec parts will fit them EXCEPT grip screws because the Norc grip bushings are threaded for a different pitch!
-They are accurate. I out shot my friends Sig Spartan 1911 using the same Federal ammo.
-Other "high end" 1911 magazines will work in your Norinco but Norc Mags will not work in many other 1911 models.
-Mine passed the 10-8 1911 extractor test with ease. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=429061
-It cost me $270 on the EE

You can't go wrong with a Norc 1911 Sir :rockOn: Brace yourself for anti Norc bashers. Not all Norinco guns are created equal, this is true. Especially true of the better made Norc 1911's; they're actually created equal to and better than many a much more expensive hand gun.
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In other words, a Norinco is the 1911 by which all others are judged.
 
trebor2880 said:
In other words, a Norinco is the 1911 by which all others are judged.
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I don't know about that. I haven't owned, detail stripped and shot every 1911 out there.
But I went from highly skeptical when I bought it, to very impressed with it. They may not be THE most accurate, they may not be THE most pretty looking but they are built like tanks, shoot very well and cost a literal fraction of some other 1911's which they are at equal level with. IF you get a good one (I clearly had a good one).
I also don't know the ratio of well made Norc 1911's to bad ones etc
 
I have 9 of the Norc 45s in various iterations.

All shot well. Some shoot very well.

All needed sights and grips.

All but 1 needed a trigger job.

That said, I recently acquired a SAM, and it is better in ever way, except, maybe, steel quality. Norcs are made from tool steel.
 
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