Norinco AR

greentips said:
Couldn't remember, placed second or something.....I think Keith Cunningham won ( most likely back in those days)
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Did he win by chance with his 24 inch "space gun"? ;)
I know he has been shooting that thing for quite a few years.
All I'm saying is when you get to a high enough level it can make a difference of a few points,which is all that seperates the top dog with the first place loser.
 
Longshot said:
Did he win by chance with his 24 inch "space gun"? ;)
I know he has been shooting that thing for quite a few years.
All I'm saying is when you get to a high enough level it can make a difference of a few points,which is all that seperates the top dog with the first place loser.
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I derived way more personal satisfaction by looking down on the people with space guns whom I have outscored with an infantry weapon, than thinking of being a second place looser. If we want to play with space guns, it should be played at a different course of fire. Maybe I will bring my own space gun out at NSCC this year just to have a space gun party.
 
Just out of curiousity, what is a space gun?
Just put together an upper using a take-off Stevens 200 .223 barrel. Does that make it a space gun?
 
greentips said:
I derived way more personal satisfaction by looking down on the people with space guns whom I have outscored with an infantry weapon, than thinking of being a second place looser. If we want to play with space guns, it should be played at a different course of fire. Maybe I will bring my own space gun out at NSCC this year just to have a space gun party.
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While I don't really look down upon anyone for what they shoot it does feel good when you beat one with issue kit.Personally I derive satisfaction by winning.That's just me.I have a high drive to shoot well.So if I place second to someone with a longer barrel shooting handloads or a spacegun or whatever we want to call it,I need to find out why I came in second.Was it me?Was it my gear?My ammo?What?
I think I can safely say that I'm at a place where if I'm consistant, which I generally am, against an equally skilled shooter, kit will win the day.Occasionally a better wind read might take it also but I try not to let those ones get away. ;)
I can't think of any reason why any rifle allowable under the rules shouldn't be allowed at NSCC.You just have to come to the realization that if its one of the top guys shooting it,unless he has a major malfunction,you are going to place behind him by a few points.
A "space gun" won't get you the hardware when you are learning.But it just might get you a few extra points when you are at an elite level.And that may be all you need.
 
tiriaq said:
Just out of curiousity, what is a space gun?
Just put together an upper using a take-off Stevens 200 .223 barrel. Does that make it a space gun?
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Here's what I think of.
24 inch quality barrel(not Stevens ;) ).
Fishgill style muzzle break.
Freefloated everything.
Match chamber.
Optics with more magnification than 4x.(probably variable)
 
With the Stevens barrel, it is:
22" light sporter;
Smith $50 brake;
Tubular handguard (SO much easier to install a barrel that way);
Factory SAAMI chamber;
1 1/2 - 5 Leupold (could install the 1 1/2 - 5 Falcon Menace);
15 minute set screw trigger job;
Lower with A2 stock;
Have only established a base zero, but at 100m, the first 5 shot prone group off the magazine with Winchester factory 69gr ammunition went 1.22", so the rifle can do the job.
So I guess that GT will be able to feel good about being able to look down his nose at me when he outshoots me at NSCC. Then again, I've had two heart attacks and a quadruple bypass, and doubt that I will be shooting Match 12 this year.
 
Looks like I m bringing this one back from the dead. It may sound crazy but I'm in with the M305 crowd and for several reasons....

1. The opportunity to shoot service rifle is fleeting and the very few times you will have to shoot your AR15 annually may make owning one tortuous (like it was for me). Lovely rifles indeed but very expensive to own considering the very few opportunities to run and gun with them. If your situation is different than mine then disregard.
2. M305 in tuned and bedded condition will run you $800. Still the best value for a semi auto battle rifle in Canada, in a calibre that will print at 500m no problem.
3. Will you win SR matches with this rifle? Unlikely, the AR has the edge... Sufficiently so where the shooter is at a disadvantage regardless of his or her skills. However what it comes down to is your own personal expectations of yourself. If winning at any cost is more important to you then run a slicked up AR15. If you want a real world rifle you can take with you anywhere and do anything with then choose to excell with the M305. Being really good with one rifle has serious real world advantages.
4. I've shot SR with Enfields and AR15 rifles. Of course I. Prefer the AR15 however my compromise is the M305. And anyways.... Real men don't shoot rifles in a calibre less than 308" dia. Lol
5. 7.62x51 is more available now than it has been for the last decade. The norinco ammo shoots very good and is very affordable. Easy to get components for and reload if match ammo is your forte.....

cost benefit fit analysis for me is a slicked up M305.
However if you want one rifle specifically to shoot service rifle and have $3000 to $4000 available go with a 20" AR15 (1/7 twist if you can get it and intend to shoot 62 - 77gr bullets) otherwise 1/9 for 55 gr is fine to :) . The dollar amounts may seem high but if you factor in practice ammo, optics, mags, chest rig and a few simple accessories it adds up pretty quick.
 
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