Hey guys, so new to the AR platform, went the cheap way but seemed like a good deal for a budget shooter, purchased from a site sponsor and took me a while to get around to cleaning and testing the rifle so warranty is a no go, anyways my problem is failure to extract , it seems to be worse after a few rounds that fire and eject ok but once it is warm it seems to do this every time, cleaned and cleaned the gun tried multiple different ammo. Has anyone else had this issue with a norinco? I'm going to try a new extractor spring and hope that cures the problem. I just didn't expect this to happen although it is a cheap platform. Also I heard weak buffer spring could also be a factor. Well any input is greatly appreciated !
Norinco CQA / AR.. FTE issue
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So is it just leaving the case in the chamber? Or is it extracting it from the chamber and just not clearing the ejection port?
When it does work, where does the brass go? Forward, backward, or to the side of the ejection port?
Have you fully dismantled your bolt to make sure there's nothing gunking up the extractor or the ejector?
I've had this happen for a number of reasons, most common fix was just, as you said, extractor spring with a little oring and it's perfect. Other causes can be a dirty chamber making the brass stick, an out of spec extractor thst doesn't get a proper hold, and short stroking
When it does work, where does the brass go? Forward, backward, or to the side of the ejection port?
Have you fully dismantled your bolt to make sure there's nothing gunking up the extractor or the ejector?
I've had this happen for a number of reasons, most common fix was just, as you said, extractor spring with a little oring and it's perfect. Other causes can be a dirty chamber making the brass stick, an out of spec extractor thst doesn't get a proper hold, and short stroking
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Likely the extractor spring and O-ring. Very common issue on the Norcs.
It's just leaving the brass in the chamber, sometimes it's a little difficult to remove the old brass which had me thinking maybe a head space problem, but I don't have gauges so I can't verify that but wouldn't think that's the problem, when it does work it works quite well throwing the brass strongly straight out the side maybe slightly backwards. I have cleaned th chamber tons with a bore brush and solvent, I have gone throw the bolt assembly twice now. With the extractor removed I did not notice any sort of o-ring or spacer under the spring, maybe that's my issue ..
I don't think any of the norinco rifles have ever used an oring under the extractor, although the one I have has never had extraction issues. If its leaving brass in the chamber it's most likely just a shot extractor spring, if you want you can borrow the BCG from my norc to confirm this before buying one, although it probably wouldn't hurt to add the oring anyways.
As a side note, what kind of ammo are you using?
As a side note, what kind of ammo are you using?
I agree with the suggestion of replacing the spring and using an O ring. The early 10.5 guns had an issue with this - I swapped mine out straight away and never had an issue. There are kits available (cheap) that have the parts. The extractor is usually GTG, just the spring and an O ring need to be seen to.
If it's difficult to remove the brass, it sounds like you need to polish the chamber. What's the brass look like?
Is the extractor tearing through the brass? If so, your chamber needs to be cleaned thoroughly. The grease that Norinco uses to pack their rifles in seems to be a Chinese version of Cosmoline - which will cause brass to stick in the chamber if it's not completely removed.
If the extractor isn't tearing through the brass, you may need a new extractor spring and probably a little donut to help keep tension. My 14.5" Norc hasn't had any extraction/ejection issues in the 3 years I've had it, but I cleaned it within an inch of its life when I first got it home.
It's not unusual to have Chinese-made firearms have the odd little quirk crop up as the QC really isn't up to Western standard.
If the extractor isn't tearing through the brass, you may need a new extractor spring and probably a little donut to help keep tension. My 14.5" Norc hasn't had any extraction/ejection issues in the 3 years I've had it, but I cleaned it within an inch of its life when I first got it home.
It's not unusual to have Chinese-made firearms have the odd little quirk crop up as the QC really isn't up to Western standard.
gxxrman,
I had a similar problem with the casing staying stuck in the chamber all the time. The culprit was tooling mark in the chamber, and upon expansion of the brass, the spent casing would remain trap in the chamber. The depression left by the tooling mark were quite evident in the chamber and on the brass. The solution in my case was to exchange the upper.
I had a similar problem with the casing staying stuck in the chamber all the time. The culprit was tooling mark in the chamber, and upon expansion of the brass, the spent casing would remain trap in the chamber. The depression left by the tooling mark were quite evident in the chamber and on the brass. The solution in my case was to exchange the upper.
Wow thanks for all the response you guys! I have tried pmc bronze .223 and pmc green tip 5.56 and they both cause a FTE. The brass portion that sits in the chamber doesn't look bad, the shell has evidence the extractor grabbed and slipped off, nothing crazy like tearing the lip of the shell just evidence it grabbed. I just finished polishing the chamber and installing a new spring with the rubber plunger and o-ring on the outside. Feels really stiff. I will try and take it out shooting tomorrow, if that extractor doesn't damn near ripped the lip of the She'll of the I may have to look at a new barrel or upper at worst like sp641 has stated. Paid 350 new from a vendor a while back would really like to keep this a cheap functional ar if I like them I will buy a better one down the road
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I'll bet the enhanced O ring extractor will fix your issue. As stated, some Norcs have problems with their stock extractors.
Let us know!
Let us know!
105" barrel! Betcha that's a bit front heavy.
gxxrman: I feel your pain brother. I have the exact same CQ-A AR-15 that you have an I had the EXACT same issue your are having right out of the box. To make a long story short, the chamber was the culprit as it was out of spec from the factory. I had to hone the chamber using an 800 grit Flex-Hone for 5.56 and that solved all my issues. I swapped the entire BCG, upgraded the extractor and installed a heavier buffer weight but none of it helped. You can throw all the parts you want at it but it will not help. (although the extractor upgrade kit, for the money, is well worth the investment) With mine, it would only extract reliably once I honed the chamber to a certain point. Try this:
1) Remove the upper from the lower and remove the BCG
2) take an unfired round and drop it in the chamber with the barrel pointing down
3) check to see that the round falls, under its own weight, all the way forward and that when the barrel is pointed up, the unfired round falls out under its own weight.
IMHO if this is not happening, your chamber needs work. It is a simple and cheap fix assuming you do not want to replace the barrel.
All the details are located here: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1371160-AR-15-extraction-issue
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Hey guys got out and tested it, came down to replacing the extractor itself due to the factory one being to short, factory extractor wasn't flat with the face of the bolt not allowing it to completely latch onto the empty shell. Also polished up my chamber a bit afterwards. Runs flawless. Put a name brand good quality extractor and spring for those who have identical problems !!
