Norinco Glock?! Say it ain't so!
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There are some pretty crappy Glock finishes out there. Just sayin'...
Kiddx you are aware that Wilson Combat for years, and may still do, advertise they would do custom work on a Norinco (some of the best steel frames and slides ever put on a gun) while they would not work on Kimbers. Do some reading. I have several and they all work just fine. For an entry level gun like a Glock they tend to work. Rough but functional.
It was just a matter of time. That said photoshop can do wonders in the right hands.
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It was just a matter of time. That said photoshop can do wonders in the right hands.
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I worry about the lower too because it is all that plastic that will hold on to that slide thrust back and forth not flying out for that couple hundred times per weekend for me x52 a year. Certainly not as much as the upper that go boom but upper I can replace easily while lower need another reg.
I don't know what price they can place them. Consider that I bought a gen3 Glock lower for under $300 CDN I wouldn't think they can place them at much lower price... but will see.
If they really are making the lower then sure as God made little green apples they are making the complete pistol. One advantage Norinco has is they need not pay a dime for advertising and marketing.I could see buying a knock off and I have done so if there was $400 - $500 between the knock off and the real deal but for a couple hundred dollars...likely not.
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They've been looking for engineering drawings and material specifications for these for a while now, no surprise. I'd guess that everything on the Glock is long past it's patent expiry - they were designed in the late 70's - that's 40 years.
Sig - early 1970's - 42 years
Beretta 92 series - early 1950's - 65 years
BHP - 1935 - 82 years
AR15 - late 1950's - 62 years +
Glock - 1970's 47 years
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Patents are only good for 14 to 20 years depending on what it is (I think? That's what a quick Google got me) so a lot of gun designs are no longer protected. 1911, browning hi power, glock, Beretta 92, sig 226... Anything that existed before the mid 90s wouldn't have patent protection if I'm reading this right.
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Thanks for the reply guys. Makes sense if the time frame is 14-20 years. I assumed it was longer. I guess a lot of guns will be copied soon!
The "Eastern Bloc" died when the Cold War ended during the Reagan years. The Sphix and Tanfoglio pistols are a result of the Cold War when CZ was behinds the Iron Curtain aka Eastern Bloc. CZ could not register the 75 design in the West so the Swiss and Italians took advantage.
China has never been part of the "Eastern Bloc" the latter a term attributed to eastern European countries that were part of the Soviet sphere of influence. Any Patents on the Glock have long run out.
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I disagree also; won two classes with Norinco .22s this past weekend, and also won the the centerfire pistol class with a Norinco 1911.
That applies to written work, trade marks and the original drawings in this case.
Reverse engineering after patent expiration does not apply.
After original time length of first patent grant, it can be extended if the originator can show good reason ie design was so costly to produce but shows benefit to society to continue to be protected to regain inverstments, this is why drug patents are long lasting and treated different from mechanical patents. Another reason for extension is if a subsequent patent improves the first and are intergral to each other.
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Just out of curiousity when was any norinco product used to win any serious sporting event? I'll skip the whole operator thing because while I'm certain they aren't used in that sphere I have no true way of proving it.
As for the wannabe glock. Why not just get used glocks for comparable money? With gen 5s coming out I'm sure some people will be dropping perfectly functional gen 3s for new guns.
Yeah except their the pricing them comparable to new gen 4
The Philippine National Police may still use the Norinco 1911 in 45acp. They were using it 10 years ago, not sure now. Nor am I sure why it matters. What "Operators" use or serious competitors hardly affects a young man or woman just starting out who wants to play with a handgun either as a plinker or in competition. Hell that is why some buy Glocks. We have two shooters regionally who use the NP 22 and 1911 45acp and do quite well. I know they have fun which accomplishs all they want out of the game. Too, the 1911 Norc is pretty robust and I used my stock Norc for bear protection using the 45-08 cartridges running 200gr bullets at 1,300FPS. Gun loved them.
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If the lifespan of the patent only lasts for 20 years or so, it seems like a little short given the amount of R&D that goes into a firearm. If it takes a bigger investment then I think the patent holder is entitled to make a profit from it. If it is that easy I would assume there are lot more manufacturers making firearms than it is now.
I'm a little skeptical about Norinco being a defense industry firm from China.
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I know that. Just lazy this morning typing on the crapper! I figured everyone would know what I meant.
