Norinco JW25 sight issue?? or just plain old WTF?

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So I tried this out today, and overall I like it.

It sights in vertically very very accurately, it fires all the time, the bolt smoothed out at around 100 or so rounds(Win 555 bulk)

But, and its a BIG but. rear sight set at 25m because I was sighting it in at that range. first 5 shots MISSED THE WHOLE PAPER COMPLETELY!!! And I am normally a pretty good shot. I was shooting shotgun cases with my open sighted 70 year old milsurp earlier. Hell I wouldn't have missed the whole paper with my pistol, standing, strong hand only.

So, I put the target closer to the berm so I could see where I was missing(I don't know if its high or low or off to one side). I find out that I am hitting at least a foot low at 25 meters!! I could see dirt spattering way low.

So I set the rear sight all the way up to the max range, like 250m or something. Now its only missing by around 3-5 inches low.

I put an empty .22lr shell under the rear sight. Now its on target!! I am hitting tennis ball groups, standing with the open sights. This is ok. But to get it, I had to put my front sight all the way to 250m, AND add that extra spacer under it.

Once I got it sorted like this, I could hit .308 brass with open sights in the waning light of the late afternoon. I know the basic gun is ok, but what the hell do I do about my rear sight??
 
with mine, I had to have it set to 150 to be bang on at 50. That said, it is very accurate, and seems to point/shoot very well offhand and standing.
 
thebuckhunter said:
File down the front sight with the rear sight at the lowest setting.

-Jason
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...was going to suggest the same thing. Had mine out yesterday, spent some time seeing what I could do offhand. Set some clay pigeons up @ 37 yards, and could hit them standing/offhand (no support) 2/5 times. Not stellar, but I started to improve a little with practice. The rifle (as C75 stated) does point well.
 
yea, its accurate for sure, for not being a really fancy gun, but very dissapointed with the elevation part of the sights.

I was hoping to not have to file the front sight.

I could, near the end of the day, shoot about 4-5" lower than the target and hit shotgun shells fairly repeatably. same with .308 empties from 25 meters in poor light. But I want to be able to point it at the target and line up the sights. I guess I will have to take a file to the range...
 
Before you file anything, try working for a sight picture using what's shown in the terrible 30-second sketch below.



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Instead of getting out the screw drivers and adjusting the sights to match the distance, I use that method whenever I need to move a rifle's poi up as the distance stretches out - zeroed at 100 or 200 yards with a standard sight picture and then put the post on top of the rear sight as shown whenever the target is out at 300-400 yards.

In the case of your JW-25A, you could start at 25 yards with the post proud of the rear sight slot and holding under as shown. If it's still too low, hold the post on the target. In your line of sight, keep the 'shoulders' of the front sight flush with the top edge of the rear sight and work from there (I just drew the shoulders showing above the rear sight for illustrative purposes - they should be just flush and not showing). Once you find where it hits true, you can start figuring out the adjustments you have to make with the rear sight as you move your target further down range.
 
thanx Bowyer, I don't think I quite get it right now, but maybe as I think about it more it may come to me. Am I not suppose to want the sights to line up normally here at short range?
 
OK...drew another, equally bad picture to better show what I'm talking about

The joined arrows point to the surfaces of the front and rear sights that should be lined up flush in your line of sight as you aim.

On the bottom right is a normal sight picture with the target above the front sight post. On the top right is what I'm suggesting so that the point of impact comes up without having to adjust the rear sight or file down the front sight.

Making sure to line up the shoulders (the part of the front sight that the arrow points to) of the front sight so they're flush with the top edge of the rear sight and the post is centered over/in the rear sight slot, hold under the target as shown.

If your p.o.i. is still too low, hold the front sight post halfway on the target instead of under. It might seem wierd at frst to have the front sight post sticking up over the rear sight like that, but it'll be automatic to sight that way once you get used to the gun.

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Was also going to suggest using lots of different brands and types of ammo as well.

Anyway, hope you get it sorted out.
 
oh, ok, I get it, I kinda did before. Just sight it differently. It may still be off. I was shooting about 3-4(visually) inches low and hitting what I was shooting at.

hell, if it works, maybe I will center punch the sight and put a white dot on it, like a pistol sight
 
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