Norinco M-14 bolt jumping out/falling off of operating rod?

Finally figured out the technique, bizarre as it is.....

So, with no mag in, I can't get the Op rod to jump off the bolt by cycling normally by hand, back and forth.

With a magazine inserted, and the bolt locked back, I can repeat the problem at will now, the problem the rifle displayed for the other guy. With pulling pressure straight outwards from the receiver on the Op rod handle, or slightly up or down (as long as it's outward pressure, and it's locked back), the bolt can jump.

Take your M-14 and lock it back on an empty magazine. Now take the Op rod handle and pull it out with about 20? lb of force. Don't pull back, pull out. What just happened?

But pulling with outward pressure and back can make it sort of be neither here nor there. The bolt is still within the guide rails?, but you can see more of the roller.

Now, I'm not sure if it should be possible at all,:confused: could it be a perfect storm with technique and tolerances? Basically, if you applied the same pressure to your signal light, you'd probably break it off. It seems like the Op rod is tight near the chamber, so any extreme pressure outward cams off that area. Clear as mud?

45ACPKING, any thoughts on that?
 
The correct way to operate these rifles is to pull the oprod to the rear with inward and downward pressure. If you are doing anything else... OF COURSE you can get the oprod to jump out. The takedown notch allows for that.
What you are doing is PURPOSELY trying to make it screw up.... And it will because it's designed with a takedown notch , one that required upward and outward pressure to remove.

Am I making sense here??
IF there was a real problem here, the oprod would jump out while you are firing the rifle.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
I was checking it over, the guide does in fact, have slight movement. No way to really qualify it, maybe a half mm, might be less.
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You won't see any oprod affect from a loose oprod guide unless yer gettin 1/8th of an inch of rotational play or more.
Rack or service grade military M14 rifles had "loose" oprod guides too... And believe me the armourers were certainly not practicing NM peening or knurling. They left those opeod guides as they were... Much like those slightly loose norincos.

This thread, for what it's worth is becoming kinda funny LOL
Relax, deep breath, sky ain't falling.... Yet
 
saskgunowner101 said:
Finally figured out the technique, bizarre as it is.....

So, with no mag in, I can't get the Op rod to jump off the bolt by cycling normally by hand, back and forth.

With a magazine inserted, and the bolt locked back, I can repeat the problem at will now, the problem the rifle displayed for the other guy. With pulling pressure straight outwards from the receiver on the Op rod handle, or slightly up or down (as long as it's outward pressure, and it's locked back), the bolt can jump.

Take your M-14 and lock it back on an empty magazine. Now take the Op rod handle and pull it out with about 20? lb of force. Don't pull back, pull out. What just happened?

But pulling with outward pressure and back can make it sort of be neither here nor there. The bolt is still within the guide rails?, but you can see more of the roller.

Now, I'm not sure if it should be possible at all,:confused: could it be a perfect storm with technique and tolerances? Basically, if you applied the same pressure to your signal light, you'd probably break it off. It seems like the Op rod is tight near the chamber, so any extreme pressure outward cams off that area. Clear as mud?

45ACPKING, any thoughts on that?
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Totally agree with 45ACPKING; oprod handle is designed to pull straight back/in/down for proper & natural cycling action. Your successful attempt to purposely malfunction the action of the rifle simply proves the problem is operator error. Your friend may be a competent shooter but if proper actuation of an M14/M305 type rifle is beyond him then tell him to move into an AR platform semi auto & sell me his Norc for $300 shipped please! :p
 
So you both shot it with no issues with him there, you handed it to him and the issue happened? So it didn't happen for anyone else but it would happen EVERY time for him?

What part of the equation are you having problems with? Pretty obvious that the idiot doesn't know what he's doing.
If you start hitting your head with the rubber sleeved hammer handle and it doesn't hurt too much but when you flip it and HOLD the handle and smash your head with the business end..well you realize why it hurts more right?
I think it's time to hit that tard victim in the head a few times with the heavy end of a hammer.
 
This right here. I started a thread awhile back about it. I was having the same problem, cause I was doing the same thing lol!
purple said:
Is your friend cycling the action with his palm up which tends to pull the op rod up, and potentially out of engagement with the bolt lug, while pulling it to the rear? The rifle should be cocked with the palm down which avoids this.
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yomomma said:
That would only happen to you... maybe, just maybe, you are talking from experience.

Lmao
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HA!

no but I've seen similar with a machine gun were buddies hand sliped off the cocking handle on a overzealous #### for "anti aircraft drills"

you know every time TT posts "your #### will fall off" comments its a jab at me...grrrrrr

one day... a m305 is going to explode and "damage" somebodies man bits.... and a picture will come to light, and I will forever post it it retaliation
 
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