Norinco M-14 WARNING!!!

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Brobee said:
I think the title of the thread is fine the way it is. To soley blame the shooter is, IMHO, pulling a major ostritch maneuver.
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Brobee,

I've been shooting for MANY MANY years, mostly milsurps. I have NEVER seen a K-B using milspec ammo. NEVER. I have seen SIX with reloads.

Ask an IPSC shooter how many KB's they've seen. I'll bet the farm he'll tell you they were all reloads too.

Ever heard of Occham's Razor? Here's a summary:

The simpler the explanation, the better." or "Do not make more hypotheses than necessary to explain something."

Or in even more laymen's terms, when at the Calgary stampede, if you hear hoofprints, think horses - not zebras.
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I also note, we have not seen ANY pictures of this blowup despite initial claims of a digital camera. I wonder why? Perhaps it never happened? Or perhaps the pics show a bolt body firing pin channel chalk full of cosmolene goo?

I await the appropriate response from the shooter before speculating beyond "shooter/reloader error".
 
Claven2 said:
"...I also note, we have not seen ANY pictures of this blowup despite initial claims of a digital camera. I wonder why? Perhaps it never happened? Or perhaps the pics show a bolt body firing pin channel chalk full of cosmolene goo?..."
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The shooter's signature line also states that in his collection he owns a "...Winchester 870 Wingmaster...".

It's probably just a type-o, but it does leave you to wonder about experience level.
 
Or how about the anti-razor coined by Walter of Chatton (contemporary of Ockham): "If three things are not enough to verify an affirmative proposition about things, a fourth must be added" etc etc etc.

Anyway....let's save the debate on 14th century philosophy later; regarding the subject at hand it looks like we partially agree: there is sufficient lack of information that our own various opinions are more based on personal experience rather than facts. Your experience has seen you witness to alot of folks blowing up their guns due to poor reloading practices. My experience has led to examination/repair of many "home gunsmithed" Norinco M14s/305's that exhibit everything from 1.626 crushing headspace to seized firing pins through hammer-following chatterboxes.

If more information is available by the original author, I'd love to see/read it.

Brobee
 
Fair enough :) I still suggest that everything thus far supports either an inexperienced person using their rifle improperly in some way or reloading errors.

The sig line FULL of errors supports this. I hope the guy comes back and backs up his claims with photos, another witness, SOMETHING. Right now, I have my doubts.
 
I dont know about anyone else but im still searching forthose missing firing pin springs mentioned in the first post- they just have to be here somwhere! :runaway: seriously though id like to know what happened here and see the pics. i just reloaded a few rounds to start some load development with federal primers. i think i might shoot those in a different rifle now
 
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As the old saying goes, "Vas you dere charlie?" Lots of possibles
Stuck firing pin
high primer
excessive powder charge
hammer following bolt on closing (bad safety sear)
Even so, the hammer should not contact the firing pin until the bolt is closed.
I suppose there is a reason that folks reccomend replacing the Norinco bolt with a U.S. made one.
 
I have met Cam, he does exist.
In fact, I met him through a guy I used to work with.
And yes, he is quite young. (perhaps thats becuase I'm starting to get old??)

Anyway, Cam, i remember your dad saying something about a blow-up quite a while ago. This one you are describing, did it happen just recently, or is it the one that Paul told me about last year?
 
tootall said:
I have met Cam, he does exist.
In fact, I met him through a guy I used to work with.
And yes, he is quite young. (perhaps thats becuase I'm starting to get old??)

Anyway, Cam, i remember your dad saying something about a blow-up quite a while ago. This one you are describing, did it happen just recently, or is it the one that Paul told me about last year?
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hey dean, well this is the story from my dad, but not being a gunnut i just posted the thread, sorry about not being completly honest, just wanted to let you guys know about the potential danger of an M-14 but now i know it wasent the gun, it was the rounds, plus i remember, they were not reloads, they were american eagle's
 
Nine said:
That's f**ked man. You telling the story like it happened to you. not cool.


Actually pretty freak'n ###.
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this was written from what my dad said exactly, im sorry i dident say that this happened to my dad but is that so important, i am just saying that there is a potential danger with somthing, maybe to prevent things like this from happening and hurting or even killing someone! thats why I posted this thread
 
This is getting more and more painful to read. :( Come to my M14 clinic and we'll set the record straight.

I'm really getting annoyed at the 2nd hand information on slam fires. We've beaten this to death.

Remember to :

1) Load from the magazine (even slow fire)
2) Never leave a cartridge above the mag feed lips and let the bolt fly (now you WILL have a slam fire)
3) Ensure all you primers are seated as down/further or as tight as possible
4) Choose your primers ? I've been using whatever brand is available with excellent results (harder ones are nice, though)
5) Did I say load from the magazine , yet ?
 
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