(for Joshflint)Hi there just returned home from testing the Norinco that i got at kelly's, i got them to throw in a box of cheapo 308 ammo for free, do the same if you buy one, they will give you a box of PRZI partisaan ammo (serbian)in 180 gr, and i also test fired a box of federal 150gr, I first tried the 150 gr federals because i hear people saying the 180's are too much for these guns, so the 150 grain federals fired flawlessly except for 1 round that jammed, but i think it was because of me loading the clip in a hurry, that was shooting as fast as we could, then we tried the PRZI 180 gr 308's that kellys gave me, they fired flawlessly as fast as i could rip the trigger, as well neither round has much recoil wchich makes it fun to shoot, i was concerned when i bought it because the bolt was pretty stiff, but it works better than my bro's 7400 remington, and it actually shot really accurate with the peep-sight, im going to scope it for deer, im happy with it, i payed a premium for it thats for sure, but i didnt have to wait for shipping or anything, i also noticed in the log book that most of the guns they sold in the last month have been these m14's, so im sure they will give you some feed back, make sure you test a few of them out there, like fiddle with the bolt and stuff, make sure it feels tight, i tested 3 different ones before i got mine, but its worth the money, they gave me a 20rnd/5shot clip and 2 other short 5 round clips with it, comes with the sling and the cleaning kit etc, its a good deal for a reliable gun, i think they are all the 2007 stamped ones that came from michigan or something like that, message me if you want any more info, and good luck:>