Norinco M14 M-305B: Rear sight issues

Excellent use of technology to show us just what is going on. We should have you fixed by midnight. Just so we are all using the same terms, I will refer to this assembly schematic that I borrowed from Chestnut Ridge Supply and modified:
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Your problem is virtually identical to the one I had. You are absolutely right in thinking that the problem is in the rear sight windage knob (52). The rear sight nut (We'll call it RSN), which is permanently assembled inside 52, is supposed to tighten firmly onto the pinion and spin freely inside 52, so that when 52 is turned, RSN stays in place. If it isn't spinning freely, it is probably dirt or machining chips or congealed grease that is causing it to seize. It may also be rough machining, which would make things harder.

Take the sight apart, as you largely have already, but also remove the cover (50), which you rattled in the video but didn't remove. Clean the hell out of everything, being especially sure to flush # 52 with solvent. If the RSN spins freely within 52, you should be set. If it still feels gritty, you will likely need to work some fine abrasive in there (whitening toothpaste, or Comet cleaner with a few drops of water to make a paste) and spin it with a screwdriver to smooth it out. Then flush thoroughly again with water and rubbing alcohol, then dry. Lightly re-oil everything and reassemble. You need to ensure the D-shaped RSN engages the pinion (51) properly. Get a screwdriver that fits 51 nicely and, once you are certain that everything is properly positioned, tighten 51 hard. If it ever moves again, you might consider blue loctite on the pinion shaft.

Proper positioning should have the aperature centered left to right, and the vertical point of impact matching the distance on the elevation knob (typically 7-11 clicks above absolute bottom).

Thanks Battlerifle!

I'll be using this info for sure as soon as I find some free time in the next couple of days. My Canam shorty is kind of like the one in the video as well.
 
Hey: BattleRife

As far as you can tell, is there any reason the stock sights couldn't be perfectly serviceable, assuming one goes about correcting them? As you mentioned, I suspect the problem is relatively simple and has to do with cosmo binding up the mechanism, or else some poor machine work. But once that's sorted, maybe the sight will perform perfectly?
 
Once the pinion shaft is damaged, it's done. There's no fixing it.

It has always been the case that MOST chinese rear sights are crap. Once the shaft lock spins on the pinion shaft... Ie: windage and elvation turn at same time, the only fix is to purchase and install new windage assembly knob and elevation/pinion assembly.
The common practice is to turf the chinese sight and replace with usgi m14, M1garand or BM59 rear sights.
 
I recently ordered (and received in a little over a week) a Beretta BM59 rear sight from Randy at treelinem14 dot com in Colorado. He's got the State Dept permit for up to $500 in exports to us Canucks so no problems there (but no bolts, bbls or actions).
 
i have the exact same problem as you. ive tried everything and it still does it. so i ended up buying m14.ca's scope mount and still looking for a good scope.
 
i have the exact same problem as you. ive tried everything and it still does it. so i ended up buying m14.ca's scope mount and still looking for a good scope.

If you are leaving your sights on as is I'd still sight them in for the heck of it.....

put the windage in the the dead center by hand, lock it down tight and never touch it again. Then correct for windage using the front post only.....

elevation treat as you'd normally treat

thats my plan B
 
Hey: BattleRife

As far as you can tell, is there any reason the stock sights couldn't be perfectly serviceable, assuming one goes about correcting them? As you mentioned, I suspect the problem is relatively simple and has to do with cosmo binding up the mechanism, or else some poor machine work. But once that's sorted, maybe the sight will perform perfectly?

Like I said, I cleaned and reassembled mine and it has been trouble-free for about 1000 rounds. Keep in mind that is one rifle, M14Doctor has a lot more experience than I do and he seems to think my case is the exception, not the rule. But the way I see it, it's a half hour job, costs nothing and it might fix the problem. If it works, it beats the hell out of buying parts from Italy.
 
It has been my experience that 4 out of 10 chinese rear sights are junk. Here are what I consider "common" issues.
1) Rear base center line not machined on center
2) Aperture hole off center
3) Soft and undersize elevation pinion shaft at the threaded portion.
4) Oversize and soft pinion lock collar (inside windage knob)

If the sights bind and knobs seem to turn "with" each other, this is the shaft lock collar, spinning and binding on the elevation pinion threads. Flattening them and makin the sight unserviceable.

To be fair, this problem was FAR more prevalent on "pre 2009" rifles and from my notes, about a 60% failure rate.

Battlerife's info is excellent and could be used with a new rifle. Take the sights apart as directed, clean em, grease em re install. Replacement sights are out there, usgi m14(expensive and hard to find), M1 garand and BM59 , loads of em in italy and of course M1A sights from US sources. All of these are a direct replacement for chinese m14 sights.
 
I recently ordered (and received in a little over a week) a Beretta BM59 rear sight from Randy at treelinem14 dot com in Colorado. He's got the State Dept permit for up to $500 in exports to us Canucks so no problems there (but no bolts, bbls or actions).

I did the same and am very happy. Great guy to deal with.
 
I took the rear sights off, cleaned them up real nice, re oiled with CLP, reinstalled........

same problem

Guns hardly used and under Marstar warantee so ill see what John can do for me :)
 
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