Let's face it, nobody is going to cough up the kind of money needed to get 5K+ rifles produced, only to have them sitting on the shelves waiting to get sold. Get 'em while you can, then it's back to Sproingfield, IF they don't discontinue that themselves mind you. Only way I can see Norinco to start production again is if they received a large military order from somewhere, like Iraq.
Norinco M14's availability in the future?
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A better bet might be to try buying the machinery and hiring the workers away. Of course, this leaves you in a squeeze: The US is likely the largest market for M14 rifles, but they don't allow imports from China. So, you've got to find a location that a) allows civilian arms exports b) is cheap enough to allow some price advantage over US competitors and c) has a large enough skilled labour base for you to find able workers or is close enough to China that you can hire your workers there and relocate them for work.
Hmm, time to re-examine the idea of independent microstates on oil-platforms in international waters? Or maybe convince Singapore to export arms for civis... They have a pretty neat bullpup as well, don't they? SAR-21?
Hmm, time to re-examine the idea of independent microstates on oil-platforms in international waters? Or maybe convince Singapore to export arms for civis... They have a pretty neat bullpup as well, don't they? SAR-21?
Jubes said:
I would hazard a guess that they have room for some of these things in the designated rifleman role, just like the U.S. uses M-14's these days ... Commonality in equipment and ammunition can be a real blessing.
Iraqis already have a rifle for DM, called Tabuk, for M43, http://www.dragunov.net/iraq_tabuk.htm
And another called http the Al Kadesiah, in 7.62x54r http://www.dragunov.net/iraq_alkadesiah.htm
Chanman US might not consider it 'sporting', but a 'military-type'. Hence they can import Saigas but not AKs.
And another called http the Al Kadesiah, in 7.62x54r http://www.dragunov.net/iraq_alkadesiah.htm
Chanman US might not consider it 'sporting', but a 'military-type'. Hence they can import Saigas but not AKs.
Luckyorwhat said:
The SAR-21? Probably, but I meant using Singapore (or Vietnam or Taiwan or anywhere else with convenient arms export laws) as a manufacturing site for M-14's by buying the Norinco machinery and hiring their workers, if they truly are going to stop M-14 production/sales.
Guys in the US might want them, but importing military-type rifles is banned outright there, and for all the others there's this list in Section 922r. So it's not export laws from Asia that's the problem, it's the Import laws into the USA that stop goods. It's not just Norinco guns that are banned, there's multiple over-lapping import bans, at least 2 against Norinco (though 1 expired recently I think). And the where the US gov't doesn't make a deal to halt imports, the UN is out there halting exports.
And there's already another company in the US that makes M1a's, besides Springfield. And they drop-forged just like Norinco, instead of casting, there's a video out there of them making a receiver if one can remember the company's name.
One good bet would be the 'give them the razor, sell them the blades' idea. The receiver might last forever but barrels are going to wear out, so buying a bunch of cheap Chinese barrels (chrome would be a bonus) would be a legitimate activity, and something Americans could legally use.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/fallegalparts.htm
And there's already another company in the US that makes M1a's, besides Springfield. And they drop-forged just like Norinco, instead of casting, there's a video out there of them making a receiver if one can remember the company's name.
One good bet would be the 'give them the razor, sell them the blades' idea. The receiver might last forever but barrels are going to wear out, so buying a bunch of cheap Chinese barrels (chrome would be a bonus) would be a legitimate activity, and something Americans could legally use.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/regulations/27cfr178.html
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/fallegalparts.htm
All of this is explained in Part 2 of the Online Edition of M14 Rifle History and Development at www.imageseek.com/m1a
The People's Republic of China NEVER got any M14 production machinery from Taiwan or the United States. PRC used its own machine tools and reverse engineered M14 rifles captured in the Republic of Viet Nam.
The Government of Taiwan did receive M14 machine tools, inspection gages and technical documents from the U. S. government. Taiwan NEVER sent those items to the People's Republic of China.
State Arsenal 356 in Yunnan Province, People's Republic of China is the entity that made the M14 parts in your Norinco M305 rifles.
See www.imageseek.com/m1a for the updated June 03, 2007 Online Edition of M14 Rifle History and Development Price is free and no registration required.
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Negative. I bought the last one a couple weeks ago.
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If you're looking for a new M-305 GMK Armoury (807 346 4088) in Thunder Bay still had one for sale as of last week. Don't quote me but I believe the price was in the $460ish range.
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It'll be interesting to see the value of an M305 or 14S five years from now.
