norinco m305 accuracy advice

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Had my norinco m305 out and best group of the day was 3 moa at 100yrds. Sandbags,open sights,no wind. Ammo was federal 150 gr. Rifle is stock,no mods. Is this reasonable accuracy for a stock gun? What things can I do to squeeze out a little more accuracy from it without breaking the bank? Opinions and advice please!!!
 
For me, the best things you can do to increase your M14's accuracy, without breaking the bank, are;

Spring guide rod
Garand rear sight assembly
USGI fiberglass stock
Gas system shim or unitizing if you want to weld

Take the Hungry M14 clinic if you can...

Cheers
Jay
P.S. 3moa is not bad with irons. You should try several types of ammo, your rifle will have a preference...
 
Welcome to the addiction. I'm trying to squeeze more accuracy as well. I'm at 1 to 1.5 MOA on my good groups. It's a finicky rifle on which to get tight groups.

I'd echo Jay. The best and cheapest initial mods are shims for the gas assembly lock ($20) and an op. rod spring guide ($40).

You must have good eyes. After my first shoot with irons at 100 yds, I had to mount a scope.
 
I'd say it shows signs of being a shooter. The ones I've dealt with start out at 5 moa. Shim the gas assembly and put in a round op rod spring guide to start.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
None of the above. Reloading is where you will get the biggest gains, like 50%.
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100% agree.
Quality ammo will drop your groups down to about an inch or so.

I did a demonstration of this here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ition-Norc-M14S-M305-Ability-amp-Accuracy-FYI

That is a stock Norc in a Boyds wood stock. First groups are MFS ammo. The much tighter groups at the end are with quality Federal 165 gr.

I don't buy that adding any NM parts or USGI parts will magically shrink your groups with any real significance. Maybe by 0.19" or something lol

Do your bank account a favour and focus on quality ammo before you start dropping hundreds on junk.
 
I agree, hand loading is the way to go. My Norc is bone stock with the exception of the USGI fibreglass stock. My shots are spot on. When you find the propellant bullet combo that your rifle prefers it will shoot better than you. If you have the coin you can do the other mods but if you have a good norinco bolt I really don't think a USGI one will magically tighten up those groups unless you have a sloppy fit.
 
As others have said there are a ton of mods that you could get into. Except for mounting a scope I've done onesimple modification that really, really helped. I have shimmed my gas system. There is a guide on youtube that is really good. Don't forget to tighten the gas plug properly afterwards, my rifle spreads 5" if the gas plug is not correctly tightened. With handloads and good support this half-decent shooter consistently produces five shot groups that are smaller than 50mm @ 80m (rougly 2MOA). This is without removing fliers or only counting the best three groups, meaning that if I get results that are worse than that, and I don't feel like I as a shooter did anything wrong, I start troubleshooting the gun.
 
a###el said:
As others have said there are a ton of mods that you could get into. Except for mounting a scope I've done onesimple modification that really, really helped. I have shimmed my gas system. There is a guide on youtube that is really good. Don't forget to tighten the gas plug properly afterwards, my rifle spreads 5" if the gas plug is not correctly tightened. With handloads and good support this half-decent shooter consistently produces five shot groups that are smaller than 50mm @ 80m (rougly 2MOA). This is without removing fliers or only counting the best three groups, meaning that if I get results that are worse than that, and I don't feel like I as a shooter did anything wrong, I start troubleshooting the gun.
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Is there a specified torque value for the norc gas plugs?
 
3 MOA with open sights is good. Honestly, there's little point in spending $ to improve accuracy if you stick with open sights. The sights themselves are the greatest lmit - you can't reliably aim better than about 2 MOA.

If you want to shoot more accurately - scope it, then go from there.
 
Travis Bickle said:
100% agree.
Quality ammo will drop your groups down to about an inch or so.

I did a demonstration of this here:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ition-Norc-M14S-M305-Ability-amp-Accuracy-FYI

That is a stock Norc in a Boyds wood stock. First groups are MFS ammo. The much tighter groups at the end are with quality Federal 165 gr.

I don't buy that adding any NM parts or USGI parts will magically shrink your groups with any real significance. Maybe by 0.19" or something lol

Do your bank account a favour and focus on quality ammo before you start dropping hundreds on junk.
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Travis I have to concur with your report there. I see your front sight sits exactly to the extreme right of the base as does mine. I'll take that piece of hickory off your hands anytime you plan on using it for kindling as well.

The DIY accuracy ideas are great, a clinic with Hungry will bring it all together, and as you said learn to shoot it accuractely first while develping or finding the most accurate load, and save your money for lots of the perfect load. Practice makes perfect,...... not throwing money after snake oil solutions to a marksmanship/ammunition quality issue.
 
Andy said:
3 MOA with open sights is good. Honestly, there's little point in spending $ to improve accuracy if you stick with open sights. The sights themselves are the greatest lmit - you can't reliably aim better than about 2 MOA.

If you want to shoot more accurately - scope it, then go from there.
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That's what I was thinking. 3MOA is fine with iron sights and is better than I could do.

Also before you buy an new spring and spring guide, shoot a couple of groups with your gas turned off. This will show you what your rifle will do with no spring or op rod flopping around.
 
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