Norinco M305/M14
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Myself I will be going out with my Polytech this weekend to get a couple of deer.
Just finished putting a cheap Bushnell scope on it. Hopefully it won't fall apart haha.
I am going to go sight it in tomorrow morning. If it does fall apart or if it is not operating properly ( new rifle ) then I will be using my good old Savage 22 hornet lol I love that little 22.
If my EBR was here, I would be using it on Sunday. Dam Canada post I can walk (swim )faster than they can ship across the province!
Just go hunting be realistic on what you and your equipment will do.
Just finished putting a cheap Bushnell scope on it. Hopefully it won't fall apart haha.
I am going to go sight it in tomorrow morning. If it does fall apart or if it is not operating properly ( new rifle ) then I will be using my good old Savage 22 hornet lol I love that little 22.
If my EBR was here, I would be using it on Sunday. Dam Canada post I can walk (swim )faster than they can ship across the province!
Just go hunting be realistic on what you and your equipment will do.
Rocket Surgery
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I put a Bushnell 3-9x40 Banner on my m305 once and it held zero for the 120 shots I made before taking it off.
Didn't you say before that you and friends/family got 5 dozen deer in one hunting trip? Is it really that good up in Haida Gwaii? Haha does that mean you spent like $100.00 on ammo for one day hunting?
Didn't you say before that you and friends/family got 5 dozen deer in one hunting trip? Is it really that good up in Haida Gwaii? Haha does that mean you spent like $100.00 on ammo for one day hunting?
me and two friends one full day 97 thay spent over $100 each in ammo each year hunting (30-06 ) At the time I only had a 22lr and I got about 20 cheep deer haha A home made dear call and a rifle and sum skill is all it take
RememberTheSomme
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- Nova Scotia
Here goes another 12 round fight for the undisputed heavy weight championship of the more correct opinion.
I'm older and I love ALL Rifle types.
I see the rational of where seafury is coming from, because I know how we as gun owners are percieved in general, but I also understand the younger gentlemans want to hunt with his Poly and thats find with me as well.
It wasn't all that long ago, 30+ years when I was a young hunter, theres was lots of Military battle rifles in the Bush, mainly N04Mk1s and those tatical looking flash hides on those nasty Jungle carbines. I know things have changed alot since then, more unbanization, the anti- lobby making the normally unaware, and unconcerned citizen, more polarized while helping them to form an opinion on firearms ownership in their otherwise unconcerned, unaware, vague existance.
Is there a middle road we as gun owners can agree on here? Does it even matter? Is there anything here to help us collectively as a group?
Thus my idea for the future of what and where I should wear it....
The only people that would even see a CZ or M-14S these days and complain, are gun owners themselves(Fudds, and that can be me at times as well), while in the bush with their bolt action sporters, which happens to be what I use for hunting. The rest of the population, whether they have had their antigun opinion nutured in their fertile minds for them, or couldn't care less,.....are both fighting over a parking space at the local mall hockey rink, or Tim Hortons on a saturday morning, and miles away from me, my hunting grounds, and my Rifle of choice.
As to the wildlife officer who happens upon your hunting party of Tacticool equipped hunters, well,...remember the law is clearly stated what you are allowed to carry, and his opinion won't much matter, he's probaly not a cheerleader at any campus anti-gun rallies on his day of anyway(it's not good for his industry to have no guns or hunters), and you may even interest him in a new Rifle type he's not famaliar with.
Be ethical and safe, stick to the rules, they are there for everyone's safety and enjoyment, and carry whatever is legal.
I'll see you out in the bush with your Poly305, we'll chat and I'll see if you upgraded to a Garand sight blah blah blah, and I'll be probaly carrying a M70FWT in .270.
All good in the Wood!
Nothing wrong with using a m-305 for hunting , if anyone has a problem with it ...that is there problem and lack of understanding that everyones needs are different.I have plenty of hunting rifles and have been rifle hunting for over 40 years and last year took my polytech out for Deer season.Why....becuase I can ....
It is a little heavy but not enough to complain about , great all around rifle and can be used in a variety of uses.Put a Garand rear sight on it, buy some 150 grain Federal power shocks (blue box) learn how it shoots and enjoy ...
If you can attend one of Hungrys or the M-14 Docs clinics .
It is a little heavy but not enough to complain about , great all around rifle and can be used in a variety of uses.Put a Garand rear sight on it, buy some 150 grain Federal power shocks (blue box) learn how it shoots and enjoy ...
If you can attend one of Hungrys or the M-14 Docs clinics .
My 3 hunting rifles? :
No1MK3 , 303 brit for close up deer 100yrds or less
M14s - for deer or moose or black bear
Win model 70, 7mm rem mag, for sheep, elk moose ect.
Terrain dictates which rifle goes with me and the m14 is always along as a back up
No1MK3 , 303 brit for close up deer 100yrds or less
M14s - for deer or moose or black bear
Win model 70, 7mm rem mag, for sheep, elk moose ect.
Terrain dictates which rifle goes with me and the m14 is always along as a back up
You just keep puking and spewing this insidious drivel you call an opinion. I find it repugnant and sickening as to just how prejudiced you are. A first time hunter can use whatever gun he chooses. The CFO has judged a person as qualified when they get their pal. Your "hillbilly" comment is way out line!
I also have a major issue with a comment you wrote in a previous post....
"and anyone that's been around guns a long time won't tell you to buy a cheap chineesee semi auto GI knock off rifle to hunt with or as a first rifle."
I saw that garbage piece of junk you call a M14...oh that's right...it is a Springfield Armory knockoff...only the best money can buy...the one with the parts sourced out to Taiwan! Yee-Haw for the American way! I'll stack my chrome lined Poly with that heap of junk you call a rifle any day, any time.
I joined Gunnutz to participate in honest, open discussions and to assist others with my experiences and to seek advice accordingly. Nobody deserves to be told by an over-opinionated fool that they should not shoot an M14 for a first time rifle, because YOU believe they will not be safe. Go back to your cave!
Actually the one I hunted with was an actual TRW. If you read my statement or had someone read it to you you should have picked up on that.
Yes he can use whatever he chooses. My opinion is he would be better served by something else. Please read all the failure to cycle, improperly indexed, soft bolt, broken firing pin Norinco threads. Getting a lemon could be very discouraging for a new shooter. Look here or go to the M14 website. Look for my M1A don't work threads. There are not many. Of those the problems were fixed by Springfield. Norinco? Not so much.
I've said it before once more for those who missed it. I see the Norinco as a good value. I would not recommend one as a first rifle.
I'm sorry if you are offended. The name calling was not started by me.
Honestly I don't know what a FUDD is and don't care.
The nice thing is, that I can buy a Norinco M305 and strip it to the receiver and then rebuild it with USGI or aftermarket match parts and have a better rifle then the M1A for a lot less money then the base M1A.....................Springfield Armory has no where near the quality that the original Springfield Armory had.......... Last I checked, Springfield Armory M1a Receivers were made in Quebec, and some of the parts are being outsourced to Korea.......
I also disagree with your thoughts on "hiding or keeping under wraps" Military style firearms...........A gun is a gun no matter what it looks like, and the Anti's will not be happy until ALL firearms are banned...........Most of the typical "Hunter Bob" types I have come across look down at military style firearms and could care less if they are banned.......just as long as they are left with their "hunting rifles"...........but guess what, after all the evil looking military style firearms are banned, hunting rifles and shotguns will soon come next..........We should be proud to be shooters and proud of what we shoot..............If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.
Lastly......can't we ALL just get along???????
Seafury, Some of the early Norcs sold in the US had the "soft bolts". Stop reading US forums as they have not seen a Norc down there since the import ban in 1994.
The ones we are getting in Canada nowadays are a different animal. The only consistent issues nowadays are the indexing, rear sights and front sight bases which are not a big deal and easily remedied (Garand sight and re-index your barrel).
The ones we are getting in Canada nowadays are a different animal. The only consistent issues nowadays are the indexing, rear sights and front sight bases which are not a big deal and easily remedied (Garand sight and re-index your barrel).
One more time.
Not rocomending a semi auto battle rifle (of any make) for someone inexperienced enough to ask. My opinion.
Shesus, made in Quebec? As much as many of us have some issues with the province it is hard to argue the quality and innovation the manufacturing sector have shown there. I'm not talking maple syrup. Companies like Bombardier turn out very good products.
Critisizing SA for using Korean and Taiwanese components while defending Chinese made ones is ridiculous.
Read CGN forums for Norinco issues. There are plenty. Look South for M1A issues and here as well there are few. On the South side of the line they love their M1A's but yes all would prefer an LRB.
If you pay $450 for a Norinco to strip and $700 for a GI M14 to strip M14 Dr will have to work cheap to build you a cheaper better rifle. Truth is new bolts are over $300 and that's one component.
We can all agree to disagree, even us FUDDs.
Not rocomending a semi auto battle rifle (of any make) for someone inexperienced enough to ask. My opinion.
Shesus, made in Quebec? As much as many of us have some issues with the province it is hard to argue the quality and innovation the manufacturing sector have shown there. I'm not talking maple syrup. Companies like Bombardier turn out very good products.
Critisizing SA for using Korean and Taiwanese components while defending Chinese made ones is ridiculous.
Read CGN forums for Norinco issues. There are plenty. Look South for M1A issues and here as well there are few. On the South side of the line they love their M1A's but yes all would prefer an LRB.
If you pay $450 for a Norinco to strip and $700 for a GI M14 to strip M14 Dr will have to work cheap to build you a cheaper better rifle. Truth is new bolts are over $300 and that's one component.
We can all agree to disagree, even us FUDDs.
You were pointing out the short comings of the Norinco M14s while touting that the Springfield Armory rifles seem to be somehow better and less problematic............while being built with non-U.S. made parts......I find that kind of ironic........
M14Doc won't have to work cheap on my account..............I have been building/tuning/shooting M14 type rifles for 20 years.........and was taught by the best.........Hungry!!!!!
.........I also have sources for parts that I don't have to pay a premium price for.......Base model M1A (cast receiver) is around $2300.00..............
Norinco M305 Forged Receiver) is around $429.00
Savings of $1871.00.............
You have a lot of $$$$$$ left over to source out USGI and/or Match parts and have someone build you a rifle that will be better then the base M1A...........I have built rifles that performed better then the S.A. SuperMatch versions.........For considerably less money......
I've built MANY 1 MOA rifles for fellow cgn'ers on chinese receivers and on a couple or more LRB's. They don't all turn out as 1MOA rifles but there's quite a few out there.
Skullboy and many others on this site have learned a tonne , and like myself have always built thier own rifles. My background doesn't come from CGN, but friends and an ex armorer in the US.
Generally for about the same price as a springfield a guy can have an all usgi parts rifle, match fitted to a chinese receiver... And have a better gun. Hammer forged chinese receiver @ 200.00 , inspected and prepped usgi parts kit @ 1200.00. 500.00-ish to put it together and your still under the average entry price of a springfield. It's really a no brainer to me.
Now, about NEW guys and the m14 , hunting or not. If the rifle gives the new shooter confidence and a keen desire to shoot his new rifle.... This GOOD , especially if he's gonna hunt. More time on the trigger = a good shooter in the field.
And speaking of triggers, the two stage military type triggers are EXCELLENT for new shooters and hunters.
I say, buy the m14, it's a great rifle and it shoots a bullet that excells at killing north american game.
I shoot winchester silvertip, 165 gr nosler. Kills em dead
Want good advice on hunting with an m14 , talk to guys like giwolf, brobee and there's a bunch more guys that know these rifles intimately and have killed lots of game with them
Skullboy and many others on this site have learned a tonne , and like myself have always built thier own rifles. My background doesn't come from CGN, but friends and an ex armorer in the US.
Generally for about the same price as a springfield a guy can have an all usgi parts rifle, match fitted to a chinese receiver... And have a better gun. Hammer forged chinese receiver @ 200.00 , inspected and prepped usgi parts kit @ 1200.00. 500.00-ish to put it together and your still under the average entry price of a springfield. It's really a no brainer to me.
Now, about NEW guys and the m14 , hunting or not. If the rifle gives the new shooter confidence and a keen desire to shoot his new rifle.... This GOOD , especially if he's gonna hunt. More time on the trigger = a good shooter in the field.
And speaking of triggers, the two stage military type triggers are EXCELLENT for new shooters and hunters.
I say, buy the m14, it's a great rifle and it shoots a bullet that excells at killing north american game.
I shoot winchester silvertip, 165 gr nosler. Kills em dead
Want good advice on hunting with an m14 , talk to guys like giwolf, brobee and there's a bunch more guys that know these rifles intimately and have killed lots of game with them
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- Western BC
Yes and yes.
Very good, it should be Canada's National Rifle. As you come to know it, you will see just how versatile it is...get one!Yes and yes.
mountainspruce is dead wrong! Don't buy ONE!
Buy TWO of them !
Cheers,
Barney
You were pointing out the short comings of the Norinco M14s while touting that the Springfield Armory rifles seem to be somehow better and less problematic............while being built with non-U.S. made parts......I find that kind of ironic........
M14Doc won't have to work cheap on my account..............I have been building/tuning/shooting M14 type rifles for 20 years.........and was taught by the best.........Hungry!!!!!
Base model M1A (cast receiver) is around $2300.00..............
Norinco M305 Forged Receiver) is around $429.00
Savings of $1871.00.............
You have a lot of $$$$$$ left over to source out USGI and/or Match parts and have someone build you a rifle that will be better then the base M1A...........I have built rifles that performed better then the S.A. SuperMatch versions.........For considerably less money......
I never touted the SA at all in this thread, said I didn't think these rifles were good choices for hunting for someone inexperienced enough to ask. That was the question.
Hungry you can lock it, ban me or whatever else you see fit. I will take the time to correct statements like the one above. Frankly, my time would be better spent elsewhere. People here believe an M14 is a one gun do it all rifle and that won't change. Me, I don't think so.
I don't think any one here thinks it's the one gun that can do it all the best, but if I could only have one gun, the M14 would be it.
I have the obligatory bolt action Remington and it is a great first gun, the 700is always the first gun I tell newbies to get if they want to hunt because they are most likely to have success with it and success means they will likely stay with the sport and enjoy it.
I found that got boring because if you do your part with a 700, honestly I feel like you will never miss, especially with handloads, good optics and practice.
You know hunting and shooting with the M14 is just way more fun and challenging because everything on the M14 is a challenge, the trigger is a challenge, optics are challenge, getting it to shoot well is a challenge, carrying it can even be challenge. However I get choose from a wide variety of options how I want to deal with those challenges and that is fun.
Because having fun means ther has to be a challenge the Remington sits in my safe, it's not a challenge to hunt with, it will do everything perfect everytime, if thats what you want, and thats why M14 comes out almost always. Imagine a dedicated remington 700 forum, and there is one somewhere I'm sure, but it would be boring for me to build an 11 lb bolt gun to sit at a bench.
If a newbie is up to the challenge I say why not, if they're on here reading they will know what they're up against pretty fast and they can make that choice.
This thread probably is boring for some, but its all part of the conversation and if it doesnt get personal its all part of the fun.
I have the obligatory bolt action Remington and it is a great first gun, the 700is always the first gun I tell newbies to get if they want to hunt because they are most likely to have success with it and success means they will likely stay with the sport and enjoy it.
I found that got boring because if you do your part with a 700, honestly I feel like you will never miss, especially with handloads, good optics and practice.
You know hunting and shooting with the M14 is just way more fun and challenging because everything on the M14 is a challenge, the trigger is a challenge, optics are challenge, getting it to shoot well is a challenge, carrying it can even be challenge. However I get choose from a wide variety of options how I want to deal with those challenges and that is fun.
Because having fun means ther has to be a challenge the Remington sits in my safe, it's not a challenge to hunt with, it will do everything perfect everytime, if thats what you want, and thats why M14 comes out almost always. Imagine a dedicated remington 700 forum, and there is one somewhere I'm sure, but it would be boring for me to build an 11 lb bolt gun to sit at a bench.
If a newbie is up to the challenge I say why not, if they're on here reading they will know what they're up against pretty fast and they can make that choice.
This thread probably is boring for some, but its all part of the conversation and if it doesnt get personal its all part of the fun.
