Norinco M77B Range Report

Would you be interested in a MysticPlayer P90 Stock for this pistol?

  • Hell ya!

    Votes: 34 75.6%
  • Nope, looks too evil.

    Votes: 11 24.4%

  • Total voters
    45

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Well, I took out my new to me Norinco M77B 9mm last night. I must say I am quite impressed with the gun. It is quite accurate and I ran 100 rounds of 115 grain Gold Dot JHP through it with no hiccups or any failures. People have complained about the recoil on this pistol as being brutal, but I am pretty sure they have never fired a gas delayed blowback pistol. It feels the same as my P7M8 and my Steyr GB's. There is little muzzle flip and all the recoil comes straight back. The Norinco is quite a bit bigger than the P7M8 and slightly smaller than the Steyr GB. The adjustable rear sight is quite nice and I have no problem rattling off continous X-ring hits on a RCMP target at 15 meters. I will do more detailed group sizing this summer. There is no possible way for the trigger guard cocker to hit your finger because as the trigger is pulled a steel lever pops up and blocks the trigger guard cocker (that and with the way the trigger guard cocker is designed there is no way the slide could pul it back with it). The pistol is machined quite nicely, better than any other Norinco I have ever seen. The slide to frame gap at the back of the slide is so thin as to almost be invisible and there is no slop in the frame to slide fit. Even the inside of the pistol is nicely machined. The front and rear strap are grooved, the sight rib is also grooved to reduce reflection. The trigger is a bit long but crisp and quite light. The pistol has a magazine disconnect on it. The safety locks the trigger, slide and firing pin. The slide has a gas piston mounted to it, same as the P7. Disassembly is quite easy, remove magazine, verify unloaded, sweep safety all the way down to the white dot. Pull slide back and up and over like a P7 or a PPK. Slide comes off the front. Take recoil spring off of the barrel. Gun is now field stripped. To reassemble, reverse the previous instructions. On the security arms website it mentions that the trigger guard slide racker is tough to use but I can fully cycle the slide with either my left or right hand but my girlfriend could not cycle it with either. She got pretty close though. I think it is a neat idea, allows for full one hand use of the pistol. Pistol feels really good in my hand and shoots very well. Norinco obviously put a lot of time and effort into executing this design and it is a worth addition to my collection. Here is a picture of it with my other delayed blowback 9mm's... (its the one at the very top)

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That strange trigger guard that works to #### the gun, do you have to use it or can you just use the slide? IT is very unusual to say the least, but I am trying to keep an open mind. Would it not require a long finger pull to utilize?
 
Keep it minty clean or it will jam like crazy.

THe plastic bits on the gun will chip off very easily.

Cocking the thing 1 handed is by no means an easy task...well its not HARD...but some burly forearms will help.
Yes you can #### the thing regularly, and most people would do so.
 
I have one, and i think i have smaller hands (for a big guy) and have no problem cocking it with my index finger. The plastic grips do seem a bit cheap, but could be replaced with wood quite easily. There are no other "plastic bits" on it.
Sure could use a manual for it though.
I have not fired it yet. but i will try to post a report when i do..

PFO
 
I like mine, I as well have small hands and find it a little difficult to use one handed but the trigger guard works great as an assist when cocking it with 2 hands.
Recoil is heavy for a 9mm but hey it is a 9mm, there isn't much recoil to start with.

These guns are only $229 new at Marstar, can't complain.
 
Gas piston on blowback?

Please educate me, I am used to blowback on things like SMG's where it uses a heavy bolt and spring matched together. A gas piston implies that there is a gas system with gas block,tube and a spring for the piston, correct?
 
Ok you are confusing me more, they use the piston to slow down the slide? rather than to operate the slide rearward against the spring?
 
Deckard said:
Nice Gas Bremses!

Took me 8 years to get those 3 GB's, even managed to snag one of them NIB and another one with the factory comp (Steyr only made 150-200 factory compensators for the GB!). They are my babies along with my P7M8. Gotta love them retarded gas guns! :p

Deckard said:
Field strip the 77B and take pics please. I want to see the piston arrangement.

Ask and ye shall recieve! My camera is a little lacking on the megapixels so I apoligize if they are a bit fuzzy.

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The cocking lever on the P7M8 does the following: closes the slide after a reload, and allows you to fire the gun. Without the lever pushed in the pistol will not fire. What you do is lock the slide back, load a mag in, squeeve the front lever and the action closes. Then you need to squeeze the cocking lever back and then relax the pressure till you can keep it cocked (the firing pin protrudes from the rear of the slide when cocked). As long as you are holding that lever down the pistol will fire. As soon as you release it the gun decocks. Sounds complicated but it is really quite simple to use. Not quite sure exactly how it is all hooked up inside the pistol as I have never felt the urge to take apart one of the toughest guns to manufacture that cost me just over 2k and figure it all out. :eek: All I know is that it works and works very well. :D
 
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