Norinco NP-28 vs. NP-29 questions

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Hello,

I have been contemplating whether to buy a Norinco NP-28 or an NP-29. The NP-28 is the high capacity/double stack equivalent of the NP-29.

I am concerned about the availability of interchangeable quality parts, etc. and Marstar has been less than forthcomming with answers, in fact they told me to contact Norinco... yeah ... needless to say Norinco is not answering my emails :rolleyes:.

I was hoping someone here knows the answer to these questions:

Q. are the NP-28/NP-29 guns rated for +P or +P+ ammo?
Q. apart from the trigger, magazine and flat mainspring housing which parts are not stock 1911 in the NP-28?
Q. are there any non Norinco magazines that will fit the NP-28 or NP-29?
Q. given the proper ejector, springs, barrel, (maybe a multi caliber slide) is there a hope in hell to be able to conver the NP-28 or NP-29 to shoot .40 S&W reliably given that the feeding ramp angle is designed for 9mm?

Thanks in advance,
Target221
 
The NP-29 can take any other brand of .38 super or 9mm 1911 mags. I don't think you will have much luck finding non norinco mags to fit the np-28.can't answer your +p+ question tho. it can probly take +P
 
Thanks "The Cocker".

I must admit that I am leaning toward the NP-28 as I have fairly large hands and double-stack pistols seem to fit me better. Of course I want my cake and eat it too :). Any ideas on the .40S&W conversion? The ramp angle of the pistol can put a monkey wrench in that idea as I would like to end up with a realiable pistol.

Thanks,
Target221
 
I have large hands but a single stack 1911 frame fits 'em perfect. I don't see any point to a double stack 1911, especially a 9mm style. You can only load 10 in the mags and a single stacker takes nine 9mm's, doesn't it?
 
Single Stack Np29 takes 10 in the mag... no need to go double stack, IMHO.

Keep it as close to a standard 1911 as possible if you want replacement parts that are easy to find.
 
Hi all,

Thanks for the info.

>Single Stack Np29 takes 10 in the mag

Marstar.ca claims 9 for the capacity of the single stack 9mm. They could have a typo on their website. Is it 10 or 9?...

>40.s&w conversion

So if I stick to a single stack version then the .40s&w conversion is doable?

Thanks,
Target221
 
NP 29 factory magazines hold 9 rounds. Some .38 Super mags will hold 10 rounds of 9mm and function well. The best mags that I have found for my NP 29 are Mec Gar. They are 9 rounders, but function flawlessly

Blue
 
TARGET 221;
Let's take a moment to clarify your queries to Marstar....
"Quality parts" Marstar has the largest inventory of original and aftermarket parts in Canada, as a matter of fact one of the largest stocks in the world. Our parts come from all corners of the globe.
We offer OEM components as well a wide selection of high end parts manufactured for us in Europe.

When you called Marstar and spoke to our gunsmith, you requested specific production measurements of the slide, frame and various companents parts of the the 1911a1 in 9mm and .45acp.
In addition you requested the same information for the NP-28 & the NP-29.
Since the information you requested was not at hand and would take several hours to produce we suggested you contact Norinco, as simple as that.

YOUR ABOVE QUESTIONS;
Yes the pistols will handle +P & +P+ loads....

Q. apart from the trigger, magazine and flat mainspring housing which parts are not stock 1911 in the NP-28?
In as much that the NP-28 is hi cap, the frame is different
Many of the internals differe because of the oversize frame.

NP-28 pistols (double stack) require Norinco mags as far as I know.
While there are aftermarket mags available for the single stack NP-29

Q. given the proper ejector, springs, barrel, (maybe a multi caliber slide) is there a hope in hell to be able to conver the NP-28 or NP-29 to shoot .40 S&W reliably given that the feeding ramp angle is designed for 9mm?
The NP-28 and the NP-29 are fitted with a 9mm slide
While a conversion is posiible it is neither practical nor recommended.... There are a number of issues that come into play....
Why not consider a Norinco pistol made for the .40SW (NP40)
Regards John
 
Both Fugly guns, get yourself a Norc 1911 in 9mm.
I have a Commander in .45 and it's a blast!
Reliable Browning design (not some crap design), fully interchangeable with aftermarket 1911 parts, super easy to fing spare parts if your in a jam, finish leaves a lot to be desired but I will feed and fire reliably.
Change the extractor, the stock one throws casings in your face, and your good to go.
If you do get one, call Gunnar at Armco.
Top notch guy to deal with.
Just my .02$,


-sixty9santa
 
sixty9santa said:
Both Fugly guns, get yourself a Norc 1911 in 9mm.
I have a Commander in .45 and it's a blast!
Reliable Browning design (not some crap design), fully interchangeable with aftermarket 1911 parts, super easy to fing spare parts if your in a jam, finish leaves a lot to be desired but I will feed and fire reliably.
Change the extractor, the stock one throws casings in your face, and your good to go.
If you do get one, call Gunnar at Armco.
Top notch guy to deal with.
Just my .02$,


-sixty9santa
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You can't top this advice... IMHO.
 
target221 said:
Where do you get these mags and how much do they cost?

Thanks,
Target221
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I think you can get them at Brownells but some Canadian Dealers like P&D or TSE should have them or could get them. Last one I saw was about $45 CDN.

Unfortunately most US dealers will no longer ship to Kanada. P&D used to have the Mec Gars 9 shot and they work very well in 9mm.
 
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johnone said:
TARGET 221;
Let's take a moment to clarify your queries to Marstar....
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I don't know why you would choose to deal with my issues about customer service this way rather than try to improve your pre-sales support. If you are trying to make me look like I am not quite sure what I am doing, don't bother I'll be the first to admit that I am new at this sport altogether and I am learning as I go. I didn't know there was any shame in that... If you are trying to secure customer loyalty, you've started off on the wrong foot! Before I was disappointed, now you are close to using up any little goodwill that I have left for Marstar. Since you clearly identified yourself as related to Marstar I am assuming that you did write on behalf of Marstar did you not?

Please understand that if it is your wish, I will have no problem dealing with this publicly as I have nothing to hide or loose. And this is also as simple as that, isn't it?

johnone said:
When you called Marstar and spoke to our gunsmith, you requested specific production measurements of the slide, frame and various companents parts of the the 1911a1 in 9mm and .45acp.
In addition you requested the same information for the NP-28 & the NP-29.
Since the information you requested was not at hand and would take several hours to produce we suggested you contact Norinco, as simple as that.
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This thread is not appropriate for a public pissing contest with you. Suffice it to say that you omit certain pertinent facts that would cast a different light on the whole situation. Given some of the things I have been told (not mentioned by you) I am being generous in my characterization of the pre-sales service. Now, can we please drop this or move it to another thread and focus on my original questions!

johnone said:
YOUR ABOVE QUESTIONS;
Yes the pistols will handle +P & +P+ loads....

Q. apart from the trigger, magazine and flat mainspring housing which parts are not stock 1911 in the NP-28?
In as much that the NP-28 is hi cap, the frame is different
Many of the internals differe because of the oversize frame.

NP-28 pistols (double stack) require Norinco mags as far as I know.
While there are aftermarket mags available for the single stack NP-29

Q. given the proper ejector, springs, barrel, (maybe a multi caliber slide) is there a hope in hell to be able to conver the NP-28 or NP-29 to shoot .40 S&W reliably given that the feeding ramp angle is designed for 9mm?
The NP-28 and the NP-29 are fitted with a 9mm slide
While a conversion is posiible it is neither practical nor recommended.... There are a number of issues that come into play....
Why not consider a Norinco pistol made for the .40SW (NP40)
Regards John
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All this info is greatly appreciated. Some more detail on what "the issues that come in play" are would be extremely helpful.

Thank you for your post,
Target221
 
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sixty9santa said:
Both Fugly guns, get yourself a Norc 1911 in 9mm.
I have a Commander in .45 and it's a blast!
Reliable Browning design (not some crap design), fully interchangeable with aftermarket 1911 parts, super easy to fing spare parts if your in a jam, finish leaves a lot to be desired but I will feed and fire reliably.
Change the extractor, the stock one throws casings in your face, and your good to go.
If you do get one, call Gunnar at Armco.
Top notch guy to deal with.
Just my .02$,


-sixty9santa
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Thanks for the honest eval. After the post by John (who seems to work for Marstar), I think I may be blacklisted as a customer at Marstar :eek: Anyway I've contacted Gunnar at Armco for now. Who else is selling the NP-29s in Canada?
 
If you're planning to buy a gun with a view of getting into IPSC and later upgrading it, the NP29 is your best bet on the basis of available 1911 single stack parts.

The NP28 will take 1911 slides, barrels, recoil springs, disconnectors, sears, hammers and sear springs; but that's about it. The size of the mag pretty much limits it to the 9x19.
The only mags that will drop into it are the Norinco.

The Ruger P89 mags will work in the NP28 if you grind a slot for the mag release to catch on.
 
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