Norinco NZ85B report

Kveldulf

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This post is for RDevigne who asked me, in the thread "Norinco 1911A1 Testing", to do a range report on the NZ85B when it came in. First, an apology: I have no pictures. However both Pepe308 and Terry have some nice pictures in "CZ85 vs NZ85".

I picked up the NZ at Lovett's in Kitchener this afternoon, only six days after first seeing it. Miramichi and Ontario's CFO were really on the ball this week! When seen alongside a real CZ, the NZ's finish is crude, with rough edges and metal so coarse-appearing I'm afraid of getting splinters.:( A good clean-up at home did ameliorate this to some slight extent.

The trigger is extremely heavy in double action. This is due to a very heavy hammer spring, so heavy that sometimes I had to #### the gun before I could rack the slide. :( Single action is quite reasonable. There is only one magazine and it is, of course, restricted to ten rounds. Sliding the bottom plate off reveals a piece of sheet metal spot-welded inside the magazine and bent at the approprate height. This weld may be the weakest spot in the entire gun. The fitted case also includes a bristle brush which should be less likely to scratch the barrel than a copper brush. (I'm a newbie. If that comment is dead wrong, please correct me.)

At the range, I used Sellier & Bellot 124 grain 9x19. I began by firing freehand at only 5 metres, quickly moving to 10 as most of my shots were in the black. At 10 metres I was still able to get most shots in the black so I moved the target back to 15 metres. Knowing that my own poor marksmanship does not need to be reviewed here, I then fired from the benchrest. Ten shots, nine in the black, were sufficient to get the target moved back to 20 metres, the range's maximum. Even here, most of my shots were in the black and those few outside I attribute to my inexperience, not to the gun.

In all, I fired 120 rounds tonight with no misfires, jams, stovepipes, or failures to feed. On three occasions, however, the slide failed to remain back after the last round was fired. I also found, at the beginning, that I had to slam the magazine into place in order for it to catch the magazine release; otherwise it just fell out.

Conclusions: I like the look of this gun, a direct descendant of Browning's finest design, the High Power. I like the heft in my hand compared to my tupperware Steyr and BUL although that extra weight may soon pall. I may shoot better with the NZ than with anything else except the .22 Browning although that, too, may change with time. I am really tempted now to buy a real CZ and try a direct comparison. :evil:
 
I love my NZ-85. It eats everything with no complaints, unlike my Glock 17, which continues to give me fits. It does have a good heft in the hand and I don't bother with the double action. This is a really solid chunk of metal and well worth a recommendation. If Gunnar (Armco) did his magic with a few, it would be well worth a little extra $ as well.
 
I had one. Don't remember who I sold it to any more.

It was one of Gunnars and that made a huge difference to the trigger.

I am now running a G17 in its place and I do miss somethings about it.
 
Mine has been a great gun and no more sharp edges than other guns I have handled. The springs do need changing though, one of these days I will send it to gunar for a tuneup. Very accurate also.
 
Kveldulf said:
The fitted case also includes a bristle brush which should be less likely to scratch the barrel than a copper brush. (I'm a newbie. If that comment is dead wrong, please correct me.)
They aren't copper brushes, they are brass brushes and brass brushes won't scratch a hardened steel barrel. That said, many of the cleaning agents designed to tackle copper fouling will also attack a brass brush so a nylon brush is still a handy thing to have around. ;)
 
Thanks alot for taking the time and typing up a range report:)

Sounds like you got yourself a very nice peice there. The problem you were experiencing with the slide not remaining back once the mag is empty happened on my NP-29 as well in the begining. After a few trips to the range, the recoil spring with lighten up and the problem will go away. As far as the finish goes, for the price, it's a non-issue for me. Like you said, a little home TLC and she was better. I left my NP-29 as is because i find the finish just fine. Same goes for my NP-22. They are both extremely accurate.

I was told that the only good Norinco pistols were the 1911 and the Sigs. However, every review i've read of real owners of other Norc pistols all said that their guns were great and were a wonderful bang for the buck. I am firmly sold on the fact that the Norcinco products are an excellent value and whatever faults they had in the past is exaclty that... in the past. People need to get over it.

Enjoy your new baby. If you can the extra 100$ i would send it to Gunnar at armco and it will be nice and tuned with excellent crisp trigger and you'll have that nice peace of mind feeling that you have yourself a great reliable, accurate gun that will last you forever with proper care and you didn't break the bank.

Cheerz to you and all fellow Norc owners :cheers:
 
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@ Kveldulf: Congrats on your new pistol, I suggest shoot the hell out of it then refinish it to your satisfaction. A triggerjob would be a great idea too, please do post some reports when you have a CZ. Thanks in advance.

@ Colin: Sir, have you seen my posted photo? Seems our NZ85 differs in the slide rails. Yours extend up to the muzzle end of the slide, mine doesn't. I wonder if Norinco has generations of NZ85 too... . I love the grips, is that Hogues? I still have the slippery plastic ones on mine.
 
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Pepe308 said:
@ Kveldulf: Congrats on your new pistol, I suggest shoot the hell out of it then refinish it to your satisfaction. A triggerjob would be a great idea too, please to post some reports when you have a CZ. Thanks in advance.

@ Colin: Sir, have you seen my posted photo? Seems our NZ85 differs in the slide rails. Yours extend up to the muzzle end of the slide, mine doesn't. I wonder if Norinco has generations of NZ85 too... . I love the grips, is that Hogues? I still have the slippery plastic ones on mine.

A buddy and I bought 2 Norcs a while back. My pistol is becoming more accurate as the barrels smooth out (you should have seen the tool marks when it was new !) The trigger is lightening up is SA mode and the DA mode was never an issue.

I concur with the comment "shoot the H... out of it. If after several thousand shots if the trigger has not "tuned-up" to your liking, get a good gsmith to fine tune it to about 3-3.250 Lbs release in SA and 7-8Lbs in DA.

I shoot a cast bullet out of my gun and at 20yds, the bullets are all in the 10 ring in a standard UIT target...not many of the more expensive units can do that with factory ammo.. (I hope I didn't start a big accuracy debate with that comment!)

Happy shooting !
 
I think mine needs a triggerjob, I still find it too stiff after approx. 3,000 rounds already. Notice any wear and tear on the parts? Barrel lugs, guiderod hole on the slide? Firing pin area, extractor tension?
 
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Pepe308 said:
I think mine needs a triggerjob, I still find it too stiff after approx. 3,000 rounds already. Notice any wear and tear on the parts? Barrel lugs, guiderod hole on the slide? Firing pin area, extractor tension?

After 3K rounds, you should see some "mating" marks between the receiver and slide mechanism. The slide should be easier and have a smoother feel to "draw back" to chamber a round from the mag. It will take many more round to smooth the trigger pull, creep doesn't go away with extended use, you need to alter the engagement of the hammer release and sear parts for that. If you don't know what you're doing, leave it to a qualified gunsmith or you'll end up with a 2 or 3 burst semi and you'll have to replace the parts.

As far as wear, I wouldn't be concerned. These pistols are made from high quality steel and will probably outlast you and me. Having essential spare parts on hand is not a bad idea however, you can't predict part failure even in the best quality controlled and manufacturing environments.
 
python357 said:
Having essential spare parts on hand is not a bad idea however, you can't predict part failure even in the best quality controlled and manufacturing environments.

The most common parts to fail on the CZ design are the slide stop pin and the extractor.
 
I will be sending mine to Gunar to tune it up, the hammer spring on mine is pretty hard, needs to be replaced, the extractor gives me problems if I fire about 300 rds without cleaning, noticed that the claw on it is not quite as big as the CZ, but easy to change.
 
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